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First public hearing in the Trump impeachment inquiry

Top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine William Taylor Jr. testifies before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on the impeachment inquiry into US President Donald J. Trump, on Capitol Hill November 13, 2019 in Washington, DC.
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What we're covering here

  • The latest: The first two impeachment inquiry witnesses — diplomats Bill Taylor and George Kent — testified together publicly on Capitol Hill today.
  • July 26 call: At the crux of Taylor’s testimony was a July 26 call in which Trump spoke by phone with Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the European Union, about “the investigations” into the Bidens.
  • Declined: The Department of Defense Office of Inspector General has declined to open an investigation into the delay of Ukraine military assistance.
  • Later this week: Former US Ambassador to the Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch will testify in a public hearing on Friday.
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Our live coverage of the impeachment inquiry has ended for the day. Read up on the latest news below.

White House official told the President the hearings were a "big win" for him

A White House official said top aides believe today’s hearing was a win for President Trump and told him so as he was in between meetings with Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan.

“So how do you think it went,” Trump asked.

“Great day. Big win,” aides told Trump, the official said.

But the official acknowledged Trump is not out of the woods just yet as the public hearings are just getting underway. 

One clear sign of that uncertainty was diplomat Bill Taylor’s testimony that an aide heard Trump talk about “investigations” with US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland.

“The overheard phone call was new to every one,” the official said.

The official went on to say that the White House was pleasantly surprised by the performance turned in by GOP lawmakers during the hearing who argued repeatedly the quid pro quo never made it to fruition, as the aid to Ukraine was ultimately released.

The official conceded that Lt. Col Alexander Vindman’s testimony will be a key development during the hearings as he is seen as a solid witness for the Democrats. 

More about the aid and investigation: Trump reportedly held up $400 million in aid to Ukraine as leverage as the President pressed Ukraine to investigate domestic political rivals like former Vice President Joe Biden.

GOP members got slammed with emails from the White House during today's hearing

After not having a war room for weeks, apparently the White House Office of Legislative Affairs sent Capitol Hill Republicans so many emails today.

The legislative affair’s office sent sometimes six to seven emails an hour, according to a Republican source with knowledge of the emails.

GOP members were not happy and pushed back, the source said.

What the first public testimonies tell us about the impeachment path forward

The first public impeachment hearing today lived up to the hype, and the daylong affair gave both parties plenty to chew on as the inquiry moves forward.

Here’s what we learned today and what it means for the next steps, as additional witnesses are slated for private interviews and public hearings in the coming days:

  • New evidence against President Trump: US diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor told lawmakers about another conversation when Trump again voiced his desire to push the Ukrainians to publicly announce investigations — which would give his 2020 campaign a boost. This conversation gets at a key question of the inquiry: What was Trump telling top US diplomats working on Ukraine policy? 
  • Trump’s talking points are being contradicted: Trump’s favorite talking points on Ukraine are being disputed. This was clear from earlier deposition transcripts, it happened today and will likely continue in future hearings. The senior State Department official overseeing Ukraine policy, George Kent, testified that Trump was “trying to dig up dirt” on a political rival, rebutting Trump’s claim that he was fighting corruption in Ukraine. Taylor said there was “no good policy reason” and “no good national security reason” for Trump to withhold US military assistance from Ukraine, even though the White House argued there were legitimate reasons to do so over the summer.
  • The GOP is leaning into conspiracy theories: California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the committee, did what he has done for years and leaned heavily into debunked conspiracy theories during his opening statement. He repeatedly stated that Democratic operatives had colluded with Ukraine to meddle in the 2016 election and defeat Trump, though several key witnesses have already testified that this is not true.
  • Split verdict on staff lawyers’ questioning: Democratic and Republican staff lawyers led the questioning, which tamped down the circus-like atmosphere. Daniel Goldman, the Democratic attorney, sought to build out a narrative from the witnesses about the delay in aid to Ukraine. Republican Steve Castor’s questioning was bumpier, drawing sometimes bewildered looks from the witnesses.
  • Mulvaney still at the center of the storm: Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney’s name arose at several points in the hearing. He was identified by the witnesses as a central player in the decision to withhold US assistance to Ukraine. And the October news conference in which he acknowledged a quid pro quo was mentioned as well. Mulvaney later denied he had said that. It’s an indication Democrats are intent on further probing Mulvaney’s role in the alleged scheme to pressure Ukraine into investigating Trump’s political rivals. Mulvaney has defied a subpoena to appear before the committees, and created internal White House angst at his legal maneuverings to avoid testifying.
  • The stakes are rising for Gordon Sondland: Sondland’s direct conversations with Trump will face new scrutiny after today’s testimony. Taylor said that his aide had overheard that direct conversation between the ambassador to the European Union and Trump in which the President asked for an update on the Ukrainians announcing investigations. GOP lawmakers repeatedly described Taylor’s testimony as a secondhand retelling of things that he had heard from others — some suggested it wouldn’t be admissible evidence at a criminal trial.
  • The Democrats’ case is still complicated: After the Russia investigation wrapped up in March, key Democrats observed that special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings and 448-page report were probably too complicated to sell to the American people. There was no groundswell for impeachment among public opinion or in the Democratic ranks. But the case has become complicated, with thousands of pages of depositions piling up, and public hearings dragging on for hours. Most Americans don’t know the Ukrainians involved. Nothing is simple, and Democrats might struggle to make this digestible again.

Defense Department's inspector general decides not to investigate Ukraine military assistance delay

The Department of Defense Office of Inspector General has declined to open an investigation into the delay of Ukraine military assistance, according to a letter sent to senators

Sen. Dick Durbin, along with six other Democratic senators, issued a statement, saying they are disappointed with the decision. The senators said they met with the inspector general’s office in October to discuss the issue.

“We are disappointed that the Defense Department Office of the Inspector General has declined to investigate the Defense Department’s delay of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funding appropriated by Congress,” the senators said in their statement.

Democratic congressman calls Taylor's testimony "hearsay"

Rep. Jeff Van Drew, one of two Democrats who voted against the House impeachment inquiry resolution, called diplomat Bill Taylor’s testimony today on Capitol Hill “hearsay.”

At the crux of Taylor’s testimony is a July 26 call in which President Trump spoke by phone with Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the European Union, about “the investigations” into the Bidens.

The call came one day after Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that prompted a whistleblower complaint that alleged Trump solicited “interference” from a foreign country to help his 2020 presidential campaign.

This information on the July 26 call came from one of Taylor’s staffers who overheard Trump’s phone call with Sondland. 

Van Drew suggested he would need to see evidence such as verifiable documents or an incriminating audio recording of the President to prove the allegations before getting on board with impeachment. 

“Frankly the aid did flow, so that really isn’t an issue at the end of the day,” he added. “The aid flowed, and everything resolved.”

What is this aid exactly?: The aid Van Drew is referring to is nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine that was reportedly held back as leverage as Trump pressed Ukraine to investigate domestic political rivals like former Vice President Joe Biden.

Nancy Pelosi: "What has come forth has ... given us the truth of what happened at the time"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi addressed today’s first public hearing in the impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

“What has come forth has further, of course, given us the truth of what happened at the time,” she said.

Pelosi went on to say she was consumed with other legislative matters — prescription drugs, Dreamers, appropriations and the US-Mexico-Canada trade agreement today — and caught a “few minutes” of the beginning of the hearing.

Republican congressman calls on Mick Mulvaney to testify in impeachment inquiry

Rep. Francis Rooney, a Republican from Florida who has not ruled out supporting impeachment, said the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry would be stronger if they had someone who had direct communication with President Trump alleging wrongdoing.

Asked if Rooney thinks acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney should testify, Rooney said he should.

Where Mulvaney fits in with the impeachment inquiry: Mulvaney and White House counsel Pat Cipollone have engaged in a long-simmering feud over impeachment strategy, each blaming the other as ineffective in preventing Trump’s current predicament.

Last week, Mulvaney defied a congressional subpoena to appear in closed testimony. Investigators want to hear from him after multiple witnesses named him as a key orchestrator of the alleged Ukraine quid pro quo.

House Intelligence Committee member "pleasantly surprised" by how Republicans handled hearing

Democratic Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, a member of the House Intelligence Committee member, told reporters after today’s hearing that he was “pleasantly surprised how civil it ended up being.”

Earlier today: Diplomats Bill Taylor and George Kent testified before the committee at the first public hearing in the impeachment probe. One of the biggest bombshells came from Taylor who discussed a July 26 phone call that happened one day after Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s leader. Taylor testified that his staff was told of the call, in which President Trump said he cared more about the “investigations of Biden” than Ukraine.

Podcast: Taylor drops a bomb during historic testimony

In today’s episode of “The Daily DC: Impeachment Watch” podcast, CNN Political Director David Chalian gives:

  • Real-time analysis of today’s highly-anticipated day on Capitol Hill, where diplomats Bill Taylor and George Kent testified
  • Context following a historic day

Chalian is joined today by CNN political analyst Molly Ball and Carrie Cordero, CNN’s legal and national security analyst.

Listen to the podcast here.

Trump denies knowledge of call with Sondland where they discussed Ukraine

At a news conference with the Turkish president, President Trump was asked about new information revealed in today’s public testimony from diplomat Bill Taylor.

Taylor said that on July 26 — one day after Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that prompted a whistleblower complaint that alleged Trump solicited “interference” from a foreign country to help his 2020 presidential campaign — Trump spoke by phone with Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the European Union, about “the investigations.”

Trump today denied any knowledge of this call.

Trump called it “more secondhand information.”

He added: “I don’t recall. Not at all. Not even a little bit.”

Schiff: New information about Trump's Ukraine interest is "very important"

Rep. Adam Schiff called new information that diplomat Bill Taylor provided today “very important.”

Schiff said Taylor’s testimony — in which he said his aide overheard Trump telling an ambassador he wanted a Biden probe — is evidence that ties the scandal directly to the President, and not any Trump aides.

He added that this witness who was on that call is “potentially very important,” noting that the committee scheduled a closed-door deposition with the staffer for Friday.

More context: David Holmes is the aide who heard the July 26 call between US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and President Trump, according to a source familiar with a scheduled deposition.

Taylor testified today that Sondland told an aide that Trump’s interest in Ukraine was the “investigations of Biden,” and he cared more about an investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden than he did about Ukraine.

Schiff: Trump put his "political and personal interest" above US security

House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff said today’s impeachment inquiry hearing showed President Trump “sought to advance his political and personal interest at the expense of the United States’ national security.”

Here’s how he put it:

More on this: Taylor explained that Rudy Giuliani’s efforts led to an “irregular” policy channel was “running contrary to the goals of longstanding US policy.” Kent’s testimony also expressed alarm at Giuliani’s efforts — which he described last month as a “campaign of lies” — that led to the ouster of US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and then the push for investigations.

Rep. Jim Jordan calls today "a sad chapter for the country" but a good day for Trump

Following today’s first public hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan said, “I think it is a sad chapter for the country but a good day for the facts and the President of the United States.”

Another Republican on the intel committee, Rep. Elise Stefanik, called the hearing “an abject failure for the Democrats and for Adam Schiff.”

Asked about the White House blocking key witnesses from testifying — like acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and former national security adviser John Bolton. Jordan said, “There is a court case. And I think December 10 they’ll rule. We’ll find out then.”

He added: “We’ll see what the court says on Bolton and Mulvaney.”

5 things we learned during the first public impeachment inquiry hearing today

Today’s House Intelligence Committee hearing with diplomats Bill Taylor and George Kent just wrapped. The hearing — which lasted nearly six hours — marked the first public testimony of the impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

If you’re just reading in now, here are the biggest takeaways:

  • The July 26 call: Taylor told Congress today about a July 26 phone call — a conversation that happened one day after Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s leader. Taylor testifying that his staff was told of the call, in which President Trump said he cared more about the “investigations of Biden” than Ukraine.
  • Giuliani’s “irregular” diplomacy: Taylor explained that Rudy Giuliani’s efforts led to an “irregular” policy channel was “running contrary to the goals of longstanding US policy.” Kent’s testimony also expressed alarm at Giuliani’s efforts — which he described last month as a “campaign of lies” — that led to the ouster of US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and then the push for investigations.
  • Not “never Trumpers”: Kent and Taylor were directly asked about President Trump’s repeated claim that they are “never Trumpers.” They said they were not.
  • Hurting diplomats’ credibility: Kent and Taylor said it’s harder for US officials overseas to do their jobs when American leaders ask foreign powers to investigate their political rivals. “Our credibility is based on a respect for the United States, and if we damage that respect, then it hurts our credibility and makes it more difficult for us to do our jobs,” Taylor said.
  • About firsthand knowledge: Republican repeatedly went after the witnesses for not hearing from President Trump himself that he wanted Ukraine to launch investigations into his political rivals in exchange for releasing US aid. But remember: the White House has sought to prevent those closer to Trump from appearing.

House Intel committee votes to table a motion to subpoena the whistleblower

The House Intel committee just reconvened briefly to vote on a motion brought up by Republican member Mike Conaway earlier today to subpoena the whistleblower to testify in the impeachment inquiry.

On a vote to table the motion, there were 13 ayes from Democrats and nine no votes from Republicans on the committee. The motion was tabled.

Here's what happens next at the hearing

After the brief recess, the committee will vote on Republican Rep. Mike Conaway’s motion to subpoena whistleblower in a few minutes. 

Adam Schiff: I do not know who the whistleblower is

House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff closed today’s hearing — which marked the first public testimony in the impeachment inquiry against President Trump — by restating that he did not meet with the whistleblower.

What this is all about: The whistleblower at the center of the House’s impeachment inquiry first contacted the staff of the House Intelligence Committee for guidance before sending the complaint to the Trump administration, according to a spokesman and a new report.

While the panel’s staff advised the whistleblower to contact the intelligence community inspector general and seek legal counsel, they did not receive the complaint in advance, wrote Patrick Boland, a spokesman for Schiff said.

Watch here:

The two witnesses just finished testifying

Diplomats Bill Taylor and George Kent just finished testifying in the first public hearing in the Trump impeachment inquiry.

The two men are now leaving the room, but lawmakers are staying behind to take up a motion from GOP Rep. Mike Conaway to subpoena the whistleblower to testify.

Taylor and Kent say there was "cause for concern" in the phone call President Trump describes as "perfect"

Both Bill Taylor and George Kent said there was “cause for concern” in Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president — a conversation Trump has repeatedly called “perfect.”

Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, a Democrat from Illinois, first asked Kent: “You don’t believe the July 25 call was perfect. Do you?”

“Ambassador Taylor?” Krishnamoorthi asked.

“I agree,” Taylor said.

Asked what the cause for concern was, Taylor said, “The discussion of the previous ambassador was a cause for concern. ”

Some context: During the July 25 call, Trump disparaged Marie Yovanovitch, former US Ambassador to Ukraine. He called her “bad news” and said, “she’s going to go through some things.”

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