Dr. Anthony Fauci and other health experts testified before a House committee on the administration’s coronavirus response.
Their testimony came at a critical time when at least 25 US states are seeing a rise in reported coronavirus cases compared to the previous week.
President Trump has come under fire for saying that he told staff to slow down testing for the disease to hide the discovery of more cases. Trump, undercutting his own staffers, said this morning that he was not kidding about the testing comments.
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Top US health experts testified on Trump's coronavirus response today. Here's what happened.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci and other health experts testified today before a House committee on the Trump administration’s coronavirus response.
In case you missed it, here’s what you need to know about the hearing:
A vaccine in 2020 is still possible: Fauci touted progress on a possible Covid-19 vaccine, saying one could be ready by the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021.
Testing is increasing — not slowing down: Both Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were asked about President Trump’s assertion that he told staff to slow down testing for the disease. They said tests are increasing, not decreasing.
US likely to spend close to $7 trillion: Redfield said Covid-19 has “brought this nation to its knees.” The US, he said, will “probably spend close to $7 trillion” because of coronavirus.
American health officials still working with WHO: Fauci said he was not consulted about Trump’s decision to withhold US funding from the World Health Organization. However, Fauci emphasized American public health officials continued to work with the global organization.
Get your flu shot: Redfield urged Americans to be vaccinated for the flu this year, explaining that “next season’s influenza illness will occur simultaneously potentially with Covid-19,” meaning there will be increased pressure on health care systems.
About those case increases: Fauci addressed case spikes in some areas of the country, describing the increases as “a disturbing surge of infections.” He said overall, it “really is a mixed bag,” with some states doing well while others are now a problem.
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CDC director: More than 7,000 nursing homes in the US "have a Covid patient in them"
From CNN’s Amanda Watts
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Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said more than 7,000 nursing homes across the United States have a Covid-19 patient in them.
Nursing homes have been hit hard in the pandemic.
“Recent data show that approximately 40 percent of all COVID-19 deaths in the United States are residents or workers at nursing homes and other longterm care facilities,” Sens. Maggie Hassan, Elizabeth Warren, Aging Committee Ranking Member Bob Casey, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer wrote in a letter to the Federal Emergency Management Agency Tuesday.
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At universities, "masks should be done at all times, without exception," Fauci says
From CNN's Amanda Watts
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As universities across the country look at their reopening plans for the fall, Dr. Anthony Fauci said, “masks should be done at all times, without exception.”
Speaking to the House Energy and Commerce Committee Tuesday, Fauci said there is no “one size fits all” approach to school openings across the country – but masks are a must.
In other areas, schools will have to get find “a very creative way” to keep students physically distanced. “You’ve got to protect the vulnerables. You’ve got to allow both faculty, as well as students who are in that category of underlying conditions, to be able to have the capability of either teaching or learning online,” Fauci said.
“The other thing is — people who work with the students, namely people who feed them, people who clean, they need to be also paid attention to,” Fauci said.
Fauci likened colleges to cruise ships or nursing homes. “It’s the staff who might bring in an infection, and then infect the individuals who are in a much larger group,” he said.
Additionally, Fauci said there needs to be a plan in place for when someone does become infected.
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Fauci says he "flinched a little" when he heard virus program was called Operation Warp Speed
From CNN Health’s Amanda Watts
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Dr. Anthony Fauci said he “flinched a little” when he heard the name of the Trump administration’s coronavirus vaccine project, “Operation Warp Speed.”
Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the name gave him pause because he worried it sounded “reckless.”
“There are risks, but the risks are all financial risks, and that’s what people need to understand. They’re not compromising the safety at all,” Fauci added. “Nor is there compromise of scientific integrity.”
Fauci said vaccine manufactures are taking the risk.
“If you lose, the only thing you lose is a lot of money,” he said. “Now, nobody likes to lose a lot of money, but we feel we’d rather lose a lot of money and gain four, five, six, seven months, than have a result and have to wait for five, six, seven months to get the vaccine.”
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Coronavirus has "brought this nation to its knees," CDC director says
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Covid-19 has “brought this nation to its knees,” Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Tuesday in a House hearing.
“We’ve all done the best that we can do to tackle this virus,” Redfield said during a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing.
Redfield said the virus has highlighted decades of underinvesting in the “core capabilities of public health data.” Now is the time to fix the broken system, he added.
“This needs to be a partnership. It’s not all the burden of the federal government to invest in public health at the local level,” Redfield said. In reality, “if your funding of CDC was to go away tomorrow, public health infrastructure across this nation would just crash.”
“We’re right now the backbone of it,” he added.
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Fauci says he has not "directly recommended" Trump wear a mask
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Asked by Rep. Paul Tonko, a Democrat from New York, if he has directly advised President Trump to wear a mask in public, Dr. Anthony Fauci said he hasn’t “directly recommended” that Trump wear a mask.
Fauci said he could not comment on the “multiple factors” that go into the President’s refusal to do so, noting that he himself chooses to wear a mask to protect others and set an example.
Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, explained the benefits of face masks and face coverings, saying wearing them is “definitely helpful in preventing acquisition as well as transmission” of the virus.
Tonko noted that Trump has repeatedly appeared in speeches and public spaces without wearing a mask.
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Fauci says NIH continues to talk to WHO daily despite Trump's decision to end US relationship with group
From CNN's Ali Main Jason Hoffman and Maegan Vazquez
Dr. Anthony Fauci told the House Energy and Commerce committee Tuesday that he was not consulted about President Trump’s decision to withhold US funding from the World Health Organization.
However, Fauci emphasized American public health officials’ continued to work with the global organization.
Fauci said the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases frequently collaborates with WHO and that he and US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield are on weekly calls supervised by the WHO to speak with medical leaders around the world.
The nation’s top infectious disease expert said he was concerned about the President’s decision, but he said cooperation with the global group had not been affected by the halt in funding, adding later that those at the operational level of the US pandemic response continue to interact with the WHO in a “very meaningful way” on a “day to day basis,” “despite any policy issues that come from higher up in the White House.”
Redfield also testified that he was not consulted about the decision to halt WHO funding, but that the CDC continues to work with the group. He said that while there are limitations on the CDC’s ability to provide direct funding to the WHO, the agency can still help finance the organization through “different mechanisms.”
“Because they have failed to make the requested and greatly needed reforms, we will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization and redirecting those funds to other worldwide and deserving, urgent global public health needs,” Trump said.
The President said that the “world needs answers from China on the virus. We must have transparency.”
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Coronavirus pandemic has highlighted importance of telemedicine, top doctors say
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Dr. Anthony Fauci and Adm. Brett P. Giroir.
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Top doctors told the House Energy and Commerce Committee today that telemedicine has been instrumental during the Covid-19 pandemic – and they hope it is here to stay.
“Telemedicine is a very important component… as we look forward in the future, I think you’re going to see a lot more of that,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a House hearing today.
Admiral Dr. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health at US Department of Health and Human Services, said with a huge increase of virtual visits, the US has “learned tremendous lessons about the utility of telemedicine.”
Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said it is very important to get the health system back up and running as soon as possible.
“The introduction of telemedicine is a critical component, something that needs to stay as part of the innovation, as we work more and more to move from a disease based system to a health system,” Redfield said.
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Witnesses do not raise their hands when asked if they agree with Trump’s past assertion of Covid-19
Rep. Peter Welch speaks to the witnesses.
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During his questioning of the witnesses, Rep. Peter Welch, a Democrat from Vermont, asked the US health experts to raise their hands if they agreed with past statements made by President Trump about the Covid-19 pandemic.
When asked if they agreed with Trump’s comments from February that the virus would disappear “like a miracle,” all four witnesses did not raise their hands.
When asked if they agreed with Trump’s past assertions that the virus was comparable to the “common flu,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, responded, “It is not the common flu.”
Aside from Fauci, Dr. Robert Redfield, from US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Brett Giroir, from US Department of Health and Human Services and Dr. Stephen Hahn, from the Food and Drug Administration are testifying today before the House on the Trump administration’s response on the coronavirus pandemic.
What Trump has said: At the coronavirus briefing on Feb. 26, Trump said: “This is a flu. This is like a flu”; “Now, you treat this like a flu”; “It’s a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we’ll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner.”
On Feb. 27, Trump told attendees at an African American History Month reception in the White House Cabinet Room that “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
The President added that “from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows.”
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Fauci believes everyone in White House doing "everything they possibly can" on Covid-19
From CNN's Ali Main
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Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked by Rep. David McKinley, a Republican from West Virginia, whether he believes President Trump is judged fairly for his response to the coronavirus pandemic.
Fauci initially objected to the premise of the question, calling it “unfair,” because he felt that McKinley was asking him to pass judgement on the press’s treatment of the President.
In the question, McKinley said the media and the left “simply can’t help, but criticize” Trump, despite hopeful predictions for vaccine and treatment development.
McKinley asked the question again, saying that the nation’s top infectious disease expert has previously publicly contradicted the President.
Fauci said, without directly referencing President Trump, he believes everyone in the White House is doing everything they can to respond to the pandemic.
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director told the committee earlier in the hearing that the administration will be doing “more testing, not less,” in response to President Trump’s recent claim that he asked to slow down testing during the pandemic.
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2 key things Americans can do to curb Covid-19 spread, according to Fauci
From CNN's Amanda Watts and Christina Maxouris
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Dr. Anthony Fauci told the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Tuesday that Americans should avoid going into crowds — but if they must, wear a mask.
America’s top infectious disease expert said that with coronavirus still actively spreading across the country, “You should not congregate in crowds. You should keep distance.”
For those who do go against public health guidance of avoiding crowds, Fauci urged, “Please wear a mask. And as you wear a mask, and you’re in a situation where you’re getting animated in a demonstration or in a rally or wherever you are, avoid — as best as possible — the urge to pull your mask down and shout.”
Addressing the younger generation earlier in the hearing, Fauci said, “If you get infected and spread the infection — even though you do not get sick — you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak. And what you might be propagating, inadvertently — perhaps innocently — is infecting someone who then infects someone, who then is someone who’s vulnerable.”
Some background: Fauci’s comments come as officials in states across the South are warning that more young people are testing positive for coronavirus.
The shifts in demographics have been recorded in parts of Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas and other states — many of which were some of the first to reopen.
And while some officials have pointed to more widespread testing being done, others say the new cases stem from Americans failing to social distance.
Young people are more likely to have milder outcomes from coronavirus, but they can still infect others who are more at risk.
“With younger age of recent infections in at least some places such as Florida, expect a lower death rate in this wave … until the 20-40 year olds who are infected today go on to infect others,” Dr. Tom Frieden, former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said on Twitter.
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Fauci has no regrets about not telling Americans to wear masks sooner
From CNN's Amanda Watts
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Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, does not regret telling Americans they should have been wearing masks sooner.
Speaking Tuesday to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Fauci explained how the situation was different a few months ago.
“I don’t regret that because let me explain to you what happened. At that time, there was a paucity of equipment that our health care providers needed — who put themselves daily in harm’s way of taking care of people who are ill. We did not want to divert masks and PPE away from them, to be used by the people,” he said.
“Now that we have enough, we recommend … ” Fauci began answering before he was cut off for the next question.
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Fauci says he's "never seen" a virus with range of symptoms like Covid-19
From CNN's Amanda Watts
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Dr. Anthony Fauci told lawmakers that in his entire career, he’s never seen a single virus that has such wide array of symptoms, like coronavirus does – and that confuses people.
“I’ve been dealing with viral outbreaks for the last 40 years. I’ve never seen a single virus — that is one pathogen — have a range from 20% to 40% of the people have no symptoms,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said during his testimony before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
This is just one of the “perplexing things about Covid-19,” he noted.
Because of this, the health expert said the situation is “very confusing to people because some people think, ‘It’s trivial. It doesn’t bother me. Who cares?’”
Fauci said that confusion has triggered Americans to have a “lack of appreciation” for responsibility.
Addressing the younger generation, Fauci said, “If you get infected and spread the infection — even though you do not get sick — you are part of the process of the dynamics of an outbreak. And what you might be propagating, inadvertently — perhaps innocently — is infecting someone who then infects someone, who then is someone who’s vulnerable.”
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What we've learned so far from today's hearing with top health experts
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Top US health experts are testifying at an ongoing hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; Dr. Brett Giroir, with the US Department of Health and Human Services; and Dr. Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, have been answering members’ questions for nearly two hours.
Here’s what we’ve learned so far during the hearing:
A vaccine in 2020 is still possible: Fauci touted progress on a possible Covid-19 vaccine, saying one could be ready by the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021.
Testing is increasing — not slowing down: Both Fauci and Redfield were asked about President Trump’s assertion that he told staff to slow down testing for the disease. They said tests are increasing, not decreasing.
Get your flu shot: Redfield urged Americans to be vaccinated for the flu this year, explaining that “next season’s influenza illness will occur simultaneously potentially with Covid-19,” meaning there will be increased pressure on health care systems.
About those case increases: Fauci addressed case spikes in some areas of the country, describing the increases as “a disturbing surge of infections.” He said overall, it “really is a mixed bag,” with some states doing well while others are now a problem.
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HHS official on protective equipment: "We need to be better prepared" moving forward
From CNN’s Amanda Watts
Admiral Brett Giroir.
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There was an “absolute shortage” of personal protective equipment at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, Admiral Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services, told lawmakers Tuesday.
Addressing the House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing on “Oversight of the Trump Administration’s Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic,” Giroir said at the beginning of 2020, “everyone in the world was looking for the same supplies.”
Looking ahead to the fall, HHS estimates “if there were a Covid outbreak to this degree – we would need about 140 million N95’s per month.”
But Giroir said that’s not enough. “We need to be better prepared,” he said.
“We talked to governor’s in every state — many of the states are also doing their own supplies for 60 to 90 days — so I’m confident moving on from here on, as we ramp domestic manufacturing, that we’re going to be in a much better position than we were three months ago,” he said.
From March 1 to June 19, the US government has been a part of distribution of: 160 million N95 masks, 638 million surgical masks, 281 million gowns and more than 16 billion pairs of gloves, Giroir said.
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Democrat asks CDC director: How did you allow "this virus to be something political?"
Rep. Anna Eshoo.
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Rep. Anna Eshoo, a Democrat from California, said she was “deeply disappointed” by the leadership of Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Eshoo noted that the American people “are divided” on the virus. While Dr. Anthony Fauci, she said, has spoken “time and time again,” she urged Redfield to “speak out.”
“And I urged you, as head of the CDC, to speak directly to the American people. I know the agencies are talking to each other. I consider that a whisper, because the American people are not hearing you speak out,” Eshoo said
She continued: “So, I continue to urge you to speak out. You’re a doctor. Put your white jacket on and speak weekly to the American people. They want to know what’s coming. What is ahead. My constituents ask me on a consistent basis, what’s next? What is our government doing? That’s a haunting question,” Eshoo said.
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Fauci says racism is a factor in deaths among Black Americans
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Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked if he considers institutionalized racism to be a contributing factor to coronavirus deaths among Black Americans.
Rep. Bobby Rush, a Democrat from Illinois, asked the question in today’s hearing. Here’s how Fauci responded:
Last month, a study found evidence more Black Americans may be dying from coronavirus in the United States than other ethnic groups.
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Fauci: Next 2 weeks "critical" as number of cases surge
From CNN Health’s Amanda Watts
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One of the reasons the US is seeing a surge in infections is an increase in community spread, Dr. Anthony Fauci told lawmakers, “and that’s something that I’m really quite concerned about,” he said.
Fauci said the next couple of weeks “are going to be critical in our ability to address those surges that we’re seeing in Florida, in Texas, in Arizona, and in other states. They’re not the only ones that are having a difficulty.”
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Fauci: Parts of US "seeing a disturbing surge of infections"
From CNN Health’s Amanda Watts
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Asked to give his “unvarnished view” on where the US is in its fight against Covid-19, Dr. Anthony Fauci said “it really is a mixed bag,” adding that some states are doing well while others are now a problem.
“You have a very large country, very heterogeneous, major differences — for example, between the New York metropolitan area and Casper, Wyoming,” but it’s clear, Fauci said, “we’ve been hit badly.”
Fauci described the rise in cases in some parts of the country as “a disturbing surge of infections.”
Fauci gave his advice on addressing these increase in cases.
“The way you address that — and I’ve said this over and over again — is you have to have the manpower, the system, the testing to identify, isolate and contact trace in an effective way so that when you see those increases, you can understand where they are coming from, and you can do something about them,” Fauci said.
Fauci added, “right now the next couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surgings that we’re seeing in Florida, in Texas and in Arizona.”
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White House coronavirus task force members say they're committed to increasing testing
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Robert Redfield, Director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci, Assistant Secretary for Health US Department of Health and Human Services ADM Brett P. Giroir and Commissioner of US Food and Drug Administration Dr. Stephen M. Hahn.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield, both members of the White House coronavirus task force, said they are committed to increasing — not slowing down — testing for coronavirus.
Asked about the state of testing, Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he has not been told to slow down on testing.
“In fact, we will be doing more testing,” he said. “We’re going to be doing more testing, not less.”
Redfield, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention same question reiterated Fauci’s remarks.
“All of us have been and continued to be committed to increasing readily, timely access to testing,” he said.