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What we covered here

  • House hearing: The House Committee on Education and the Workforce held a hearing Thursday to address antisemitism on college campuses after a wave of pro-Palestinian protests erupted at universities across America.
  • Who was there: The witnesses included the presidents of Northwestern University, Rutgers University and the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). Lawmakers grilled the leaders about allegations of antisemitic hate on campus and bringing in police during the protests.
  • Harvard walkout: As the hearing was happening in DC, over a thousand people walked out of Harvard’s commencement ceremony in protest of the university’s decision to bar 13 seniors from participating over their pro-Palestinian activities.
  • UCLA protest: Police officers at UCLA engaged with demonstrators, who were ordered to disperse immediately.

Our live coverage has concluded. Please scroll through the posts below to learn about what happened at today’s hearing.

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Protesters stage sit-in at UCLA building

Demonstrators on the University of California Los Angeles campus staged a sit-in at Dodd Hall Thursday afternoon.  

Protesters were also gathered outside the building on the steps and across the street. Many were heard shouting, “Divest now!”

Demonstrators were only letting certain people in and out of the building, a CNN crew observed. At one point a photographer was pushed out of the building and fell to the ground, but the demonstration appears largely peaceful. 

The initial law enforcement presence has dwindled and only security guards appear to be on site as of 3:30 p.m. PT.

CNN has reached out to UCLA for comment.

Police engage with protesters at UCLA, footage shows

Police officers at UCLA are engaging with pro-Palestinian protesters, who have been directed to disperse immediately, as seen in aerial footage from CNN affiliate KABC.

A group of officers in riot gear and a group of protesters was seen pushing against each other briefly. A large group of protesters could then be seen moving down the street. Other formations of officers were viewed in the vicinity of the protest. 

“The Office of the Administrative Vice Chancellor, in partnership with the Office of the Associate Vice Chancellor for Campus Safety, has withdrawn consent to remain on campus for the demonstrators on Kerckhoff patio, asking them to disperse immediately,” a statement from UCLA Administrative Vice Chancellor Michael Beck and Associate Vice Chancellor for Campus Safety Rick Braziel said.

UCLA Chancellor Gene Block testified during the House hearing on antisemitism on campus earlier today.

Takeaways from the third House hearing on campus antisemitism

From left: Michael Schill, president of Northwestern University, Jonathan Holloway, president of Rutgers University, Frederick M. Lawrence, secretary and CEO, The Phi Beta Kappa Society, and Gene Block, chancellor of the UCLA, during a House Education and the Workforce Committee hearing on pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, on Capitol Hill in Washington on May 23.

The House Committee on Education and the Workforce’s hearing on campus antisemitism Thursday came with no shortage of fiery exchanges between lawmakers and the heads of Northwestern University, Rutgers University, and the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).

This was the committee’s first hearing since the formation of pro-Palestinian protest encampments at schools nationwide. Demonstrators calling for an end to Israel’s military campaign in Gaza and divestment from Israel-linked entities seriously disrupted campus life at all three of the schools. Lawmakers used the hearing to scrutinize the administrations’ response.

Here’s what happened on Capitol Hill:

University heads can’t win: Northwestern President Michael Schill and Rutgers University President Jonathan Holloway negotiated with protesters rather than authorizing police to disband encampments, which UCLA Chancellor Gene Block ultimately did.

Both approaches received considerable rebuke from lawmakers on the Republican-led committee, though some Democratic lawmakers commended the negotiations.

But Block was also criticized by some lawmakers for not authorizing police to step in sooner, and he faced particular rebuke from Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, who focused on an April 30 incident in which a group of people attacked the school’s pro-Palestinian encampment for hours without intervention by law enforcement. Omar referenced a CNN report on the attackers, many of whom expressed pro-Israel sentiments.

Limited consequences so far: In one of the hearing’s tensest exchanges, Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik slammed Schill for not taking action over allegations that a person told a Jewish student at the school to “go back to Germany and get gassed.”

Schill said he heard about that happening and “it is being investigated.” So far, no students who are being investigated for various alleged acts of antisemitism have been expelled or suspended, he said.

Rutgers’ Holloway and UCLA’s Block similarly said the universities have many active investigations underway. Holloway said his school has suspended four people and 19 others have received additional disciplinary actions.

A bounty of lawyerly responses: If you tuned in to Thursday’s hearing and thought the responses university heads gave were pre-rehearsed, it’s because they likely were.

The three university heads at the hearing had the advantage of learning from the prior campus hearings. They leaned into giving lawyerly responses, especially in tense lines of questioning, to avoid being cornered into taking a stance on divisive issues.

Schill also declined multiple times to discuss specific staff members or students raised by committee members.

Over 1,000 walk out of Harvard commencement, university newspaper reports

Graduating students walk out of the he 373rd Commencement Exercises at Harvard University in support of 13 students not able to graduate because of their participation in pro-Palestinian protests in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on May 23.

As the House hearing was still happening, over a thousand people walked out of Harvard’s commencement ceremony on Thursday in protest of the university’s decision to bar 13 senior undergraduates from participating over their pro-Palestinian activities, according to the school newspaper.

Those who left the ceremony also chanted “let them walk,” according to the Harvard Crimson.

Video and photos from the commencement show people in caps and gowns walking in a street holding signs and chanting pro-Palestinians slogans. Several flew Palestinian flags, and someone beat a drum in time with the chants.

Harvard’s interim president, Alan Garber, acknowledged the recent turmoil on campus at the start of his remarks.

“As our ceremony proceeds, some among us may choose to take the liberty of expressing themselves to draw attention to events unfolding in the wider world. It is their right to do so. But it is their responsibility to do so with our community — and this occasion — in mind,” he said.

Pro-Palestinian protest encampment resurfaces at UCLA

A screengrab from a video shows a barricade set up by protesters today on UCLA’s campus in Los Angeles, CA.

A pro-Palestinian protest encampment has resurfaced on the campus of the University of California Los Angeles.

The Los Angeles Police Department is on tactical alert, meaning all officers in the city are on standby, but they have not been called to respond to campus, according to Officer Drake Madison.

Students for Justice in Palestine at UCLA want others to join the protest, according to the group’s Instagram story.

Aerial footage from CNN affiliate KABC shows about two dozen protesters marching with signs outside the encampment.

Protesters have set up barricades, according to footage from CNN affiliate KCAL and KCBS, which also show people in yellow vests. A sign with “end police terror” could also be seen.

Some context: Thursday’s demonstration comes about three weeks after violent clashes led to a large encampment being disbanded by the law enforcement.

CNN’s Chris Boyette contributed to this reporting.

The post has been updated with more details from the scene at UCLA.

Committee chair vows this is the "beginning, not the end" of probe into antisemitism at colleges

Committee chairwoman Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) speaks during a House Education and the Workforce Committee hearing on pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, on Capitol Hill in Washington, today.

Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx, the chair of the Committee on Education and the Workforce, closed today’s hearing by vowing the lawmakers would take further action to investigate antisemitism on college campuses.

Today’s hearing was characterized by at-times rough questioning from the Republican majority on the committee, with members accusing the university leaders of failing to protect Jewish students. Some of the committee’s Democratic members painted the Republican questioning as political grandstanding, and highlighted instances in which the schools successfully engaged with student protesters — or failed to protect them from violent counterprotesters.

Wisconsin lawmaker hammers Rutgers president on agreement made with encampment protesters

Dr. Jonathan Holloway, the President of Rutgers University, testifies at today's hearing called "Calling for Accountability: Stopping Antisemitic College Chaos" before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce on Capitol Hill. University leaders are being asked to testify by House Republicans about how colleges have responded to pro-Palestinian protests and allegations of antisemitism on their campuses.

Wisconsin Republican Rep. Glenn Grothman hammered the president of Rutgers University on an agreement the school made with protesters to allow admission to displaced Palestinians.

Grothman said that in the school’s agreement with demonstrators who set up an encampment on campus, the university agreed to set aside 10 spaces for displaced Palestinian students to finish their education at Rutgers.

The Republican lawmaker asked Rutgers President Dr. Jonathan Holloway if he considered that a violation of anti-discrimination law.

Grothman, cutting Holloway off, said the agreement appeared to reward Palestinians for the “trouble they are causing and the hate they are encouraging.” He accused Rutgers of giving support to Palestinian students that isn’t being given to others.

“Rutgers is one of the most diverse campuses, universities in the country,” Holloway said, reiterating that there are already programs in place to help refugee students.

Rep. Omar tells UCLA president he "should be ashamed" for failing to stop attack on protesters

Rep Ilhan Omar speaks during the House Education Committee on Education & the Workforce in Washington, DC, today.

Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar has taken aim at University of California, Los Angeles, President Gene Block, asking him why he didn’t take action sooner to stop violence against protesters on the campus.

Omar noted that external agitators were present at UCLA protests, who were not students.

“Why have the violent agitators, who you know have been identified, not been held accountable for assaulting over 150 of your students?” she asked.

Some background: Law enforcement stood by for hours without intervening as a group of people, many of whom expressed pro-Israel sentiments at the time or on social media, attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment at UCLA on April 30.

Many of the assailants hid their faces behind masks and scarves, but posts on social media and a CNN investigation earlier this month unmasked some of the violent counterprotesters.

Omar referenced the CNN report in questioning Block on why further action hadn’t been taken against the attackers.

Members of committee are "cosplaying about protecting students equally," Democratic lawmaker says

Rep. Haley Stevens speaks during the House Committee on Education and the Workforce hearing on antisemitism on college campuses today on Capitol Hill.

Democratic Rep. Haley Stevens blasted Republican members of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce for “pretending” to care about equity during today’s hearing.

Stevens brought up a legislation that failed during the 2022 term of Congress that would have excluded LGBTQ+ students from receiving mental health care on campuses.

Stevens added that she hoped those members would not vote to exclude other students from minority groups as well.

“We have tons of issues before us in this country, and frankly those who pretend to care about equity, as we have seen time and time again in this committee, is an outrage. It is an absolute outrage,” Stevens said.

She added:

Northwestern University president bears brunt of questioning in antisemitism hearing. Here's what to know

Northwestern University president Michael Schill testifies during a House Education and the Workforce Committee hearing on pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, on Capitol Hill in Washington, on May 23.

Northwestern President Michael Schill, Rutgers President Dr Jonathan Holloway, and Dr. Gene Block, from UCLA are appearing before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce hearing to address antisemitism on university campuses.

In it, the university presidents have been asked about their responses to the pro-Palestinian encampments on campus, and how they have responded to antisemitism on campus.

At times exchanges between the university presidents and lawmakers have been tense.

If you’re just joining us, let us break it down for you.

Here are some of the key things we’ve learned from the hearing so far:

Student suspensions across campus: At Northwestern, no students have been suspended or expelled yet as the university investigates allegations of antisemitism. At Rutgers University, investigations are underway which have led to the suspension of four students, with 19 others receiving disciplinary actions. At UCLA, over 100 investigations are still underway – so few students have been disciplined yet.

Fiery exchanges between Republicans and Schill: Schill has endured the brunt of much of the questioning this morning. He declined multiple times to discuss specific staff members or students when questioned about what Republican Rep. Tim Walberg described as antisemitic rhetoric. Schill said the university is creating a task force with faculty, staff and administrators who are “committed to fighting antisemitism, and as committed to fighting antisemitism as I am.”

Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik took aim at Schill about allegations of abuse toward Jewish students on Northwestern campus.

Rep. Jim Banks, a Republican from Indiana also called Schill’s testimony “embarrassing.”

Police not called: Schill told the Committee that bringing in police as an option to de-escalate the protests on campus was not possible because it would not have ensured safety.

Jayapal accuses Republican committee members of "political bullying" rather than addressing the issues

Rep. Pramila Jayapal speaks during the House Education Committee on Education & the Workforce in Washington, DC, today.

Rep. Pramila Jayapal, a Democrat from Washington, criticized Republicans on the committee for using the antisemitism hearing for what she called “political bullying” rather than addressing core issues regarding campus protests.

Jayapal said she recognizes the difficult balance university presidents must strike between upholding the right to free speech and protest while not allowing them to be “twisted into weapons of hate.” She said antisemitism, Islamophobia and other forms of hate have no place on college campuses.

But Jayapal said the fiery questioning from Republicans on the committee, including Rep. Jim Banks, who preceded Jayapal and called the Northwestern University president’s testimony “embarrassing,” was more geared toward political grandstanding than exploring the issues.

Jayapal asked Northwestern President Michael Schill about other forms of hate on campus, including against Muslim, Arab and Palestinian students at the university.

Schill said the school is investigating complaints about this form of hatred. He referenced meetings he’s held with both Jewish and Muslim students, and said the school’s top priority is the safety of all students.

Schill also walked through the decision to negotiate with pro-Palestinian students rather than have police clear out an encampment that formed on campus, and credited the protesters for being willing to negotiate and make concessions to their demands.

Northwestern president defends negotiating with protesters and says calling in the police might not be "wise"

Northwestern President Michael Schill said asking law enforcement to intervene “may not be the wise solution” given what has happened at other universities.

The Northwestern president defended the decision to instead reach an agreement with pro-Palestinian protesters.

“We were fortunate to have students who were willing to negotiate and willing to give up the demands they came to us with,” Schill said. “Their No. 1 demand was divestment. We said, ‘No.’ We said, ‘Absolutely not. Nothing that singles out Israel.’”

Schiller said that over time, the university was able to reach a deal with protesters, and he would take a similar approach in the future.

“I would listen to the needs of any community,” he said.

GOP lawmaker presses Rutgers University head about whether he thinks the Israeli government is "genocidal"

Rutgers University President Dr. Jonathan Holloway testifying before the House Education Committee on Education & the Workforce in Washington, DC, today.

Republican Rep. Bob Good pressed Rutgers University President Dr. Jonathan Holloway on whether he believes if Israel’s government is genocidal.

Good brought up a social post by Rutgers-Newark’s Center for Security, Race and Rights (CSRR), which according to the Good, called Israel’s government “genocidal.”

He then asked Holloway if he thinks Israel’s government is genocidal.

Holloway answered, “Sir, I don’t have an opinion on Israel’s — in terms of that phrase.”

Good again asked, “You do not have an opinion as to whether Israel’s government is genocidal?”

Holloway then said, “I think Israel has a right exist and to protect itself.”

Later on in the hearing, Republican Rep. Eric Burlison asked Holloway, Northwestern University President Michael Schill and Chancellor of University of California, Los Angeles Gene Block:

“No, I do not,” Schill responded.

“I do not,” Holloway said.

“Same, I do not,” Block said.

This post has been updated with Burlison’s question.

Republican committee member calls Northwestern president's testimony "embarrassing" in another tense exchange

Rep. Jim Banks addresses Northwestern University President Michael Schill at the House Committee on Education and the Workforce hearing on antisemitism on college campuses today.

Rep. Jim Banks, a Republican from Indiana, continued the grilling of Northwestern University President Michael Schill by highlighting a different case in which Schill took full responsibility for a controversial decision on campus.

Banks raised the firing of the school’s football coach over an alleged hazing incident, which is now the subject of a lawsuit. Schill said at the time the decision about how to discipline the coach was his alone, the congressman said.

As Banks recounted the coaching controversy, Schill expressed some resistance to discussing an ongoing legal issue and said, “Your premise is inaccurate.”

Banks jumped back in, telling Schill, “Don’t accuse me of that, that’s outrageous.”

The Republican congressman said his point was that, while Schill took full responsibility for acting in response to the coaching controversy, he was not doing so regarding journalism professor Steven Thrasher, who participated in protests at the school. Banks asked Schill whether Thrasher should still be employed at the school.

Schill repeated his earlier insistence that he would not comment on individual students and faculty members in the hearing. He said he believes in due process regarding a fair investigation for any faculty member at the school, and that the university followed its guidelines in addressing the football coach, just as it would with any other employee.

Banks repeatedly poked at Schill during the exchange, saying, “Your performance here has been very embarrassing to your school,” and at one point remarking on the “joke that your university has become.”

In fiery exchange, Rep. Stefanik questions Northwestern president about allegations of antisemitic hate

Rep. Elise Stefanik during an exchange with Northwestern University President Michael Schill at the House Committee on Education and the Workforce hearing on antisemitism on college campuses today on Capitol Hill.

Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik took aim at Northwestern President Michael Schill about allegations of abuse toward Jewish students on Northwestern campus.

First, she asked about the university’s recent grade of a F by the Anti-Defamation League for its failure to respond in combating antisemitism, with the ADL calling for Schill to resign.

When Schill does not directly answer her question, she responds: “But it’s true, you got an F. Moving on.”

She then lists allegations of other antisemitic hate on campus, including Jewish students being assaulted, harassed and spat on.

Schill responds that all allegations are currently being investigated. No students have been expelled or suspended yet, pending the investigations’ outcome.

Some background: Stefanik’s line of enquiry of university presidents at other House Committee hearings has attracted attention in recent weeks.  Her exchanges went viral when University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill and other presidents at Harvard and MIT failed to condemn calls for the genocide of Jews as explicitly against campus rules on harassment and bullying. Magill and Harvard President Claudine Gay resigned after the hearing.

Schill rejects Stefanik's claim that he asked about possibility of hiring an "anti-Zionist head of Hillel"

Northwestern President Michael Schill during an exchange with Rep. Elise Stefanik today.

GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik asked Northwestern President Michael Schill if he asked the university’s Hillel director whether it was possible to hire an “anti-Zionist head of Hillel, rabbi.”

Schill replied:

The Republican from New York claimed his answer was not true, according to whistleblowers who approached the committee.

Bringing in police was ruled out because it would not ensure safety, Northwestern University president says

Demonstrators gather at an encampment where students are protesting in support of Palestinians at Northwestern University campus in Evanston, Illinois, on April 25.

Northwestern University President Michael Schill said that bringing in police as an option to de-escalate the protests on campus was not possible because it would not have ensured safety.

He added that their method of speaking with students modeled the behavior we want to be engaged in — dialogue, not force. “And we had a de-escalation,” he noted.

“The tents went down right after the agreement was struck. The entire protest is now in conformity with university rules,” Schiller said.

Northwestern president declines to comment on specific faculty members or students in testy exchange

In a tense exchange with Republican Rep. Tim Walberg, Northwestern University President Michael Schill declined multiple times to discuss specific staff members or students when questioned about what Walberg described as antisemitic rhetoric.

Schill said the university is creating a task force with faculty, staff and administrators who are “committed to fighting antisemitism, and as committed to fighting antisemitism as I am.”

But when faced with specific questioning about controversial remarks made by members of the university community, Schill declined to discuss the statements, instead repeating his commitment to addressing antisemitism.

Schill said he does not support the movement calling for boycotts, divestments and economic sanctions against Israel, but when asked about faculty members who Walberg said expressed support for the movement, Schill said, “I will not be discussing individual faculty members.”

When asked about a student-led organization at the university that Walberg said had expressed support for Hamas’ October 7 attacks in Israel, Schill said again, “I will not be commenting — certainly not commenting — on any student and what students said.”

Walberg, who at times cut off Schill’s answers, said, “I think we’re hearing that there’s no change going to take place at Northwestern University, relative to antisemitism.”

Some background: Walberg has voiced staunch support for Israel throughout its military campaign in Gaza.

He sparked controversy in March when he appeared to suggest bombs should be dropped on Gaza “like Nagasaki and Hiroshima” to “get it over quick.” Walberg has insisted he was speaking metaphorically.

Northwestern president says he will "never recommend" divestment or academic boycott of Israel

Northwestern President Michael Schill says he would not recommend to the university’s board of trustees divestment from Israel.

House Education Committee Chairwoman Rep. Virginia Foxx asked the university president if he would make it clear “that Northwestern will categorically reject any divestment or academic boycott of Israel?”

On an advisory committee on investment responsibility, Schill said he did not agree to create a new committee, rather it already existed.

He also noted that it was not a board committee, rather it was an advisory committee.

Foxx questions university heads over disciplinary actions

L to R: Northwestern University President Mr. Michael Schill, Rutgers University President Dr. Jonathan Holloway, Mr. Frederick M. Lawrence, Secretary and CEO, The Phi Beta Kappa Society, and Dr. Gene Block, Chancellor, University of California, Los Angeles, are testifying before the House Education Committee today.

Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx questioned university presidents about the disciplinary actions taken at schools for antisemitic conduct since October 7, 2023.

Northwestern University President Michael Schill said that to his knowledge, no students have been suspended or expelled, but there are ongoing investigations and there has been termination of staff.

Rutgers University President Dr. Jonathan Holloway said that there are investigations underway. The school has suspended four people and 19 others have had additional disciplinary actions, he said.

Chancellor of the University of California Los Angeles Dr. Gene Block said that his school has over 100 active investigations since October 7 of both antisemitism and Islamophobia.

“So, very few students have received any kind of disciplinary action,” Foxx said.