Trump asked about Karen McDougal at least twice unprompted after 2016 election, Pecker testifies

Testimony ends for the day in Trump hush money trial

By CNN's Jeremy Herb, Lauren del Valle and Brynn Gingras from the courthouse

Updated 9:03 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024
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3:31 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Trump asked about Karen McDougal at least twice unprompted after 2016 election, Pecker testifies

From CNN's Kaanita Iyer

Donald Trump asked about former Playboy model Karen McDougal, who alleged she had an affair with the former president, at least two times unprompted after the 2016 election, David Pecker testified Tuesday.

These are the two incidents Pecker described:

  1. During a January 2017 meeting at Trump Tower, Pecker said Trump asked him, "How's our girl doing?" Pecker said he told the then president-elect she's doing well and she's writing articles. Trump then thanked Pecker for "handling the McDougal situation," Pecker said.
  2. At a July 2017 dinner at the White House, Trump asked Pecker, "How's Karen doing?" Pecker responded, "She's doing well, she's quiet, everything's going good."

Trump also called Pecker the day after McDougal's interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper aired in March 2018, Pecker testified.

2:58 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says Trump called him after Daniels' interview, saying she owed him $24 million for breaching deal

Pecker testifies that Trump called him about the Daniels' interview with Anderson Cooper.

He told Pecker that based on the agreement she signed with Michael Cohen that she should owe him $24 million for breaching the agreement by talking about Trump in the interview, Pecker said.

2:48 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he wanted to extend McDougal's contract so she wouldn't say anything bad about Trump or AMI

Pecker says he wanted to extend McDougal's contract so she wouldn't say anything negative about AMI, which is the National Enquirer's parent company, or Trump.

When asked, Pecker confirms McDougal filed a lawsuit against AMI. She wanted to get back her lifetime rights, Pecker says.

Pecker says Trump was skeptical of the idea. "He said it’s your business, you should do whatever you plan on doing," Pecker says of Trump.

They settled the lawsuit and AMI returned her lifetime rights to her, Pecker says.

2:46 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker recalls a call with Hope Hicks and Sarah Huckabee Sanders

Joshua Steinglass asked David Pecker to recall a phone conversation he had with Trump's White House staff members.

Pecker testified he remembers a call with Hope Hicks and Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

"Both of them said that they thought it was a good idea," Pecker said, referring to extending McDougal's contract.

2:47 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he got an angry call from Trump after McDougal's interview with Anderson Cooper

Pecker is testifying about a call he got from Trump the day after Karen McDougal was interviewed by Anderson Cooper in March 2018.

He said Trump called him and said that he thought they had an agreement with Karen McDougal "that she can't give any interviews or be on any television shows."

Pecker then told Trump on the call that he had amended McDougal's agreement. Trump was angry, Pecker testified.

"He was very upset, he couldn't understand why I did it," Pecker said, referring to Trump.

2:40 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Questioning turns to Cohen paying Stormy Daniels not to discuss her relationship with Trump

The questioning has moved back to discussing Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels not to discuss her relationship with Trump.

Steinglass is showing the jury the January 12, 2018, article in the Wall Street Journal that first reported the payment of $130,000 to Daniels.

2:38 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Trump has his eyes closed and is sitting back in his chair

Trump has his eyes closed and is sitting back in his chair in the courtroom.

2:54 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

The role of the prosecution's first witness: Set the scene, CNN analyst says

From CNN's Elise Hammond

The first witness prosecutors put on the stand during a trial is important — they need to set the scene and lay the foundation for the jury. David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer, is doing just that, a CNN legal analyst said.

“So the jury now understands — I think probably in more detail than they ever wanted, hoped, needed or expected — what ‘catch-and-kill’ is and how it works,” CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig said.

Pecker has been on the stand for more than five hours over the first few days of the trial. He has testified about three different schemes he orchestrated on behalf of former President Trump to buy the rights to negative stories so they don’t get published.

Pecker also is helping introduce the jury to the key players in the case and how they fit together in the story prosecutors are trying to tell, Honig said.

While Pecker represents a solid start for the prosecution, they still have a long way to go in proving their case, Honig added. 

“They have not established all the elements of the crime, nor could you possibly do that as a prosecutor with your first witness,” Honig said, adding if he was an attorney on this case, he would be pleased with what Pecker has done so far.

2:37 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he had lunch with McDougal in 2017 to make sure AMI was holding up agreement

Pecker testifies that he had lunch with McDougal and her attorney Keith Davidson for lunch in New York. in New York in August 2017.

According to Pecker, McDougal talked about the articles that she was working on with ghost writers. She was a little upset because Howard had to change ghostwriters because they weren't working well with Karen, Pecker says.

She also complained she hadn't been given media training, noting she still wanted to be the red carpet anchor for RADAR magazine, Pecker says.

Describing the the purpose of the meeting, Pecker says it was to make sure AMI was holding up their end of the agreement.