Farro testifies he never spoke to Trump

Ex-attorney for Daniels and McDougal testifies in Trump trial

From CNN's Kara Scannell, Lauren Del Valle, Jeremy Herb and Kaitlan Collins in the courthouse

Updated 8:07 p.m. ET, April 30, 2024
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10:53 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Farro testifies he never spoke to Trump

Defense lawyer Todd Blanche is asking Gary Farro: "You never had any communications with him about Donald Trump himself did you?"

"I did not," Farro says.

"You never have spoken with Donald Trump yourself?" Blanche asks.

"I have not," Farro testifies.

10:52 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Trump attorney speaking with Trump and other lawyer

Todd Blanche just stepped away to consult with Donald Trump and another attorney, Emil Bove.

10:51 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Why the term politically exposed person is coming up in Farro's testimony

When asked by attorney Todd Blanche, Gary Farro says he wouldn't consider Michael Cohen a politically exposed person when he was Trump's personal attorney.

Banks keep a closer eye on account activity for clients they designate as politically exposed persons, Farro says.

10:46 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Farro says he learned Cohen left Trump Organization when an email bounced back

Gary Farro testifies he learned Michael Cohen left the Trump Organization in March 2017 when he received a bounce-back to an email.

Trump attorney Todd Blanche reminded Farro that Cohen opened a new bank account for his new law firm around that same time.

Farro said there were no concerns about the opening of that account.

10:44 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Former Cohen banker testifies he wouldn't have opened account for shell company

Gary Farro is testifying that had he known Essential Consultants was a shell company and not an operating business, he would not have opened the account for Michael Cohen.

"If client told me it was a shell corporation, it would not have been opened. It would give me pause very frankly," Farro says.

The only type of shell corporation he would open would be for a mortgage to remain anonymous, he explains.

Farro confirms that Cohen never told him the account was being opened for political activity.

Farro adds that if any account was associated with an entity flagged on a Office of Foreign Assets Control list, the bank would automatically deny the request.

10:43 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Trump attorney confirms Cohen was not "acting as an agent" for anyone when he opened the account

Trump attorney Todd Blanche is confirming that Michael Cohen indicated on the paperwork for Essential Consultants LLC that he was not "acting as an agent" of anyone when he opened the account.

"We would have to know who he was acting as an agent for,"banker Gary Farro said explaining that they'd need proof beyond a verbal assurance. "We would have to ensure that he was not working with a person of interest." 

10:41 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Analysis: Trump could still be able to bypass gag order if witnesses provoke him, CNN legal analyst says

From CNN's Maureen Chowdhury

While Judge Juan Merchan held Donald Trump in contempt for violating his gag order, there is a narrow scope where the former president could still post about witnesses to defend himself if provoked, CNN legal analyst Karen Friedman Agnifilo said.

Agnifilo noted that the judge talks about witnesses Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels and "he does acknowledge that Trump can respond if required. So he's almost sending a message in here as well saying,'Look if it turns out that other people are using this gag order as a way to attack you, you can attack back.'"

She added, that Merchan is essentially saying that the gag order will not apply to witnesses who clearly are not afraid to provoke Trump. So Merchan really drilled down on what is allowed and what is not allowed, Agnifilo said.

10:40 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Cohen's former banker: "No idea why" the Resolution LLC account for McDougal payment was never opened 

Witness Gary Farro says he has "no idea why" the Resolution LLC account was never opened.

This was the account that was to be used for payment of Karen McDougal.

"It's not a red flag," Farro says.

10:38 a.m. ET, April 30, 2024

Farro says he "would have asked questions" if Cohen told him it was part of a deal involving Trump

Trump attorney Todd Blanche asked Michael Cohen's former banker Gary Farro, "If he had said this is a deal I was doing with my employer, you may have asked questions?"

"I would have asked questions," Farro said.