Pecker says he had concerns about legality of paying to kill a story about political candidate

Testimony ends for the day in Trump hush money trial

By CNN's Jeremy Herb, Lauren del Valle and Brynn Gingras from the courthouse

Updated 9:03 p.m. ET, April 25, 2024
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10:15 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he had concerns about legality of paying to kill a story about political candidate

Steinglass asks Pecker if he had concerns about the legality of paying to kill a story concerning a political candidate.

"Yes, I did," Pecker says.

10:14 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Jurors viewing texts between National Enquirer editor and Pecker on screen

Jurors can see texts on the screen:

On July 23, 2016, former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard texted Pecker, “Spoke to MC about that other issue. Obviously concerned that it is proceeding with filming dates etc and wants me to handle it. I’m on it."

MC refers to Michael Cohen.

Pecker says he can't remember what text is referring to. He asks for more clarity, and Steinglass suggests that it will become clear as they continue with questioning.

According to the records, Pecker responded hours later, "Good move and follow up”

10:10 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker testifies he thought Trump would reimburse him if he paid McDougal

Pecker testifies that he understood that he'd be reimbursed by the Trump Organization or Trump himself if he paid Karen McDougal the $150,000.

10:12 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Prosecutor shows text messages about Karen McDougal

Steinglass is now showing text messages between Pecker and former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard from 2016 about Karen McDougal.

Jurors have the screens with the evidence in front of their seats. Several are leaning forward to look at the texts.

The parties established the date of the text messages, after Pecker confirmed to Steinglass that in July, the date of the text message, it was daylight savings time, meaning a four-hour time difference from UTC.

10:10 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Cohen got agitated over timeframe of buying story, Pecker testifies

David Pecker said he'd update Cohen on the the negotiations as he heard from former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard.

Pecker says that when they had the price, he had a discussion with Cohen of who should pay. Cohen told him that he should, Pecker says.

"Michael, why should I pay?" Pecker says he responded. "I just paid $30,000 for the doorman story. Now your’e asking me to pay $150,000 for the Karen story."

Pecker and Cohen spoke daily. Cohen was agitated, Pecker testifies, always asking, "Why is this taking so long? Why didn't we buy the agreement yet?"

Cohen on the phone reiterated, "Don't worry about it, I'm your friend, the boss will take care of it," Pecker says.

10:08 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker lays out terms of agreement for buying McDougal's story

Pecker testifies that National Enquirer Dylan Howard gave his updates as the negotiations to purchase Karen McDougal's story were happening.

Laying out the terms of the agreement, Pecker says they would purchase the lifetime rights for $150,000. McDougal wanted to restart her career, writing articles and being an anchor for Radar Magazine for red carpet events.

10:06 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he knew Michael Cohen didn't have authority to spend funds from Trump Organization

Steinglass is asking Pecker how he felt about Cohen's assertion that Trump would reimburse him.

"Over the years that I know, that I worked with Michael Cohen, I know he didn’t have any authorization to spend or to disperse any funds from Trump Organization," Pecker says.

Pecker said he was authorized to move forward with former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard, who would negotiate the terms, but at this point they hadn't discussed the purchase price for the Karen McDougal story yet.

He says every time he and Cohen would go for lunch, he paid, not Cohen.

10:02 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Trump confers with attorneys as testimony continues

Trump confers with his attorneys as Pecker is testifying to these details, at times shutting his eyes as he listens.

10:06 a.m. ET, April 25, 2024

Pecker says he believed he would be reimbursed by Trump Org or Trump himself

Pecker instructed Dylan Howard to negotiate the terms after Cohen called him to tell him to buy the story.

Cohen said to him: "Don't worry. Im your friend. The boss will take care of it."

He understood that would mean he would be reimbursed by Trump Org or Trump himself.

Earlier Pecker said that Cohen referred to Trump as "the boss."