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CNN town hall on toxic train disaster in East Palestine, Ohio

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What we covered here

  • CNN hosted a town hall Wednesday night on the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, where a train derailment sparked a massive fire and evacuation orders.
  • Angry and frustrated residents grilled officials, including Gov. Mike DeWine and Alan Shaw, CEO of Norfolk Southern – the railroad company responsible for the derailment – about the response to the disaster earlier this month.
  • Shaw, who was the target of some of the fiercest criticism, apologized to residents, saying the company is going to review the results of the NTSB’s investigation and data to “figure out what we could’ve done better.”
  • Authorities have assured residents that any immediate danger has passed, although several shared concerns about their health and that of their children.
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Members of East Palestine community leave town hall with mixed feelings. Here are the key moments

Residents participate in a town hall on the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, in New York City on February 22.

Residents of East Palestine, Ohio, asked their questions directly to officials during a CNN town hall — but were left with mixed feelings about the future of their town after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed earlier this month.

 “I don’t believe what they’re saying,” said resident Nene Stewart.

Jessica Conard, who is a lifelong resident of the town, warned other communities in Ohio and beyond.

Andris Baltputnis, however, had a more optimistic view, saying, “I was very encouraged. Everything was in the positive direction and I think good things are on the horizon.”

“I feel confident to bet on ourselves. I think that’s what I took today, we have the one opportunity in our life to rewrite the greatest comeback story in American history and we have the pen. So, if we’re betting on us, I’m happy it’s East Palestine residents that get it,” said DJ Yokley, another resident and small business owner.

Here are the other key moments from the town hall:

  • Safety assurances: Experts doubled down on their reassurances that assessments of the air and water have come back normal so far. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said he felt it was safe enough to stay in the area overnight. EPA Administrator Michael Regan said while he understands the skepticism by families “as a father,” he would raise his children in the community based on air readings that indicate safe levels.
  • Health concerns: Courtney Newman, a mother and teacher in East Palestine, Ohio, said she has been experiencing a rash and her son has been getting bloody noses since returning to her home near the crash site. Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Bruce Vanderhoff acknowledged that dealing with potential toxic exposures “may not be in the wheelhouse” of many physicians. He said toxicologists are available to provide expert advice and a clinic has been set up in the community to help people who may not have a doctor.
  • Norfolk Southern: The rail company’s CEO Alan Shaw apologized to East Palestine residents for the train derailment disaster. He said the company is going to review the results of the NTSB’s investigation as well as use data to “figure out what we could’ve done better,” though he declined to answer any questions about that investigation. Shaw also said the company has already implemented new internal safety measures.
  • Ripping out tracks: Shaw said Norfolk Southern plans to rip up the tracks where the train derailed and remove soil underneath. He said this effort is expected to start at the beginning of March. Shaw said they will also continue to monitor testing from various agencies and contractors and are setting up groundwater testing in and around the site.
  • Small businesses: Ohio’s governor said he is working with federal officials to see what assistance they can provide to help small businesses in East Palestine, but there has not been a concrete solution. DeWine told a small business owner the most important thing they can do right now is to get the “clean up done as fast as we can,” adding that he spoke to President Joe Biden.
  • Fear and anger: Jim Stewart, who has lived in East Palestine, Ohio, for 65 years, said he is angry after the train derailment earlier this month. Speaking passionately and directly to Shaw, Stewart said Norfolk Southern took away his sense of safety. “Did you shorten my life, now? I want to retire and enjoy it. How are we gonna enjoy it? You burned me,” he said. East Palestine Mayor Trent Conaway said, “there’s a lot of fears in town,” especially from people who live close to the train tracks where the crash happened. He vowed to get answers to ease those anxieties.

East Palestine has the chance to write "the greatest comeback story in American history," resident says

DJ Yokley speaks during a town hall on the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, in New York City on February 22.

As Wednesday’s CNN town hall wrapped up, residents of East Palestine gave their final thoughts to CNN’s Jake Tapper.

DJ Yokley, who was outspoken on small businesses and raising children in the village, said the residents of East Palestine now have a chance to participate in a great recovery story after the train derailment earlier this month.

He added: “If we’re betting on us, I’m happy it’s East Palestine residents that get it.”

Norfolk Southern CEO declines investigation questions

Alan Shaw speaks during a town hall, in East Palestine, Ohio on February 22.

Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw declined to answer questions regarding the ongoing National Transportation Safety Board investigation or details relating to what caused the train derailment.

He said he is looking forward to the investigation’s findings.

"Did you shorten my life?": Angry residents confront train CEO after disaster

Jim Stewart, right, speaks to Alan Shaw during a town hall on February 22.

Jim Stewart, who has lived in East Palestine, Ohio, for 65 years, said he no longer feels safe in his town after the train derailment earlier this month.

“I’m angry about this,” he told Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw.

He said he lives very close to the derailment site and although there has been testing of the air quality around his property he said he is “afraid to put my dog out just to pee.”

Stewart said he feels a sense of loss and he worries about the value of his home and his ability to retire in the coming years.

“Did you shorten my life, now? I want to retire and enjoy it. How are we gonna enjoy it? You burned me,” he said. He talked about the uncertainty of if it is safe to do things around his home, from mowing the grass to planting vegetables.

In response, Shaw said he is going to “make it right” by cleaning up the chemicals, reimbursing residents and making investments to improve the safety of trains.

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Shaw says company has begun to implement safety measures but that they are an "internal component"

Alan Shaw speaks to reporters in East Palestine, Ohio on Tuesday, February 21.

Since the train derailment earlier this month, Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw said the company has already implemented new safety measures to prevent future incidents.

Shaw said that “in the immediate aftermath,” the company has tested and calibrated wayside detectors across its system and said it will continue to do so.

When asked by a resident if safety measures would be made public, Shaw said “it is an internal component to Norfolk Southern.”

Another resident pushed back, asking “don’t you think people would want to see that happening?”

Shaw answered, saying the company “can certainly take videos” of new safety measures being implemented and post them.

Norfolk Southern plans to rip out track where train derailed and remove soil underneath, CEO says

Alan Shaw speaks during a town hall in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 22.

Alan Shaw, Norfolk Southern CEO, said the company plans to take a series of measures moving forward to minimize the long-term impacts of chemicals on the land and groundwater, including ripping up the tracks where the train derailed and removing soil underneath.

He said “we’ve exited the emergency phase” and are now working with the Environmental Protection Agency on a “long-term remediation plan.”

Initially, Shaw said they felt like they had an “environmentally sound plan based on engineering principles” to deal with the soil where the chemicals spilled, but after pushback from the community, Norfolk Southern decided to remove the tracks completely.

He said this effort is expected to start at the beginning of March.

Shaw said they will also continue to monitor testing from various agencies and contractors and are setting up groundwater testing in and around the site.

"I'm terribly sorry." Norfolk Southern CEO apologizes to residents of East Palestine

Alan Shaw, first from left, apologizes to East Palestine residents during a town hall, in East Palestine, Ohio on February 22.

Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw apologized to East Palestine residents for the train derailment disaster.

He said the company is going to review the results of the NTSB’s investigation as well as using data to “figure out what we could’ve done better.”

"There's a lot of fears" in East Palestine community that need answers, mayor says

Mayor Trent Conaway answers to questions during a town hall, in East Palestine, Ohio on February 22.

East Palestine, Ohio, Mayor Trent Conaway is calling for answers to ease fears in the community following the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals.

“There’s a lot of fears in town,” especially from people who live close to the train tracks where the crash happened, he said.

He said he is cautiously optimistic that the community will bounce back, pointing to assurances from officials and experts.

EPA administrator says he understands skepticism "as a father," but points to safe air and water assessments

While he said he understands the hesitation of East Palestine, Ohio, residents to bring their families back to their homes, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan said he would raise his children in the community.

“Yes, I would based on the evidence that we have,” he said in response to a question from town resident DJ Yokley, who asked if Regan would feel safe raising his kids in East Palestine.

Regan laid out various types of air monitoring the EPA has been doing around the site where a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed. This includes an airplane, a mobile van moving in and out of the area and several air quality monitors placed “strategically all around the community.”

He said his agency has tested the air quality inside more than 550 home and are working with state officials to test the water.

EPA administrator outlines accountability plan for Norfolk Southern

Michael Regan answers to questions during a town hall on February 22.

Norfolk Southern has been ordered by the Environmental Protection Agency to fully clean up its toxic train wreck and pay for the fallout in East Palestine, Ohio.

EPA Administrator Michael Regan told CNN Wednesday the company will take care of the incident “in a very prescribed manner on a specific timeframe.”

Here’s what that looks like:

  • According to special authority by the EPA, Norfolk Southern is required to provide the agency with a descriptive cleanup plan for contaminated soil and water as well as debris, Regan said.
  • The company will also reimburse the EPA for providing all East Palestine residents with an interior and exterior cleaning service of their homes and businesses.
  • Norfolk Southern representatives will also be compelled to “show up at EPA’s request to public meetings and explain and talk to the residents about what they’re doing during this process.”
  • And should Norfolk Southern fail to meet the EPA’s orders, Regan said the agency will “step in” and could charge the company up to three times the amount that the cleanup would cost.

“There are a lot of incentives built in here, in this order, to compel the company to clean up their mess,” he said.

Governor says he is looking at ways to help small businesses — but there's no concrete answer yet

DJ Yokley speaks during a town hall on the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, in New York City on February 22.

Ohio’s governor said he is working with federal officials to see what assistance they can provide to help small businesses in East Palestine, Ohio, recover after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in the town.

DJ Yokley, a small business owner in East Palestine, Ohio, pressed Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on the issue saying businesses were “affected overnight.”

Yokley, who is the founder and CEO of Your Sports Network, told the governor that businesses need a plan to “be open at full capacity.”

DeWine said he talked to President Joe Biden about what to do to assist small businesses, but there wasn’t a concrete solution.

“It’s not going to happen overnight,” DeWine said.

Yokley responded to DeWine saying he understands the cleanup will not be a quick turnaround.

Ohio governor vows to convey the best factual information to residents

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said he will tell the residents of East Palestine “the best information” regarding the incident in an attempt to alleviate their skepticism.

DeWine says he would stay in East Palestine overnight after being pressed by a resident

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said he would stay in East Palestine, Ohio, overnight until the clean up is done.

Resident Ben Ratner pressed the governor about having been to the site of the toxic train derailment for only a few hours at a time, DeWine was insistent he felt it was safe to stay in the area overnight.

Many people who live in the area have been anxious about returning to their homes and the potential long-term effects on the air and water, though experts have said assessments have come back normal so far.

Here’s how the exchange played out:

East Palestine teacher says she and her son are experiencing health issues after returning home

Courtney Newman speaks during a town hall on the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio on February 22.

Courtney Newman, a mother and teacher in East Palestine, Ohio, said she has been having some health issues after returning to her home after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed her house.

She said she lives a street away from the crash site. Her family was evacuated, but once that order was lifted and she came back to her house, she noticed that her son had been getting bloody noses every day. Newman said she was also seeing rashes on herself.

Newman said doctors told her they were “in the dark as much as you are.”

Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Bruce Vanderhoff acknowledged that dealing with potential toxic exposures “may not be in the wheelhouse” of many physicians.

He said if anyone feels like they are not able to get the evaluation they feel they need, the state is making additional resources available. Patients can ask their doctor to call the county Health Department to get connected to toxicologists who can provide expert advice, according to Vanderhoff.

The Health Department also set up a clinic to help residents who may not have a doctor or just need additional support, he said.

FOR CONTEXT: CNN is sharing the stories of Ohio residents who tell us their health has been impacted by the Norfolk Southern train derailment. From a medical perspective, definitively linking chemicals to health effects – such as a rash, headache or nausea – is challenging. In some cases, it could take years to establish a definitive connection, or it turn out that one does not exist.

Resident tells Ohio officials she doesn't know who's telling the truth and does not trust authorities

Mike DeWine speaks during a town hall on Wednesday, February 22.

Nene Stewart, an East Palestine resident, is relying on water bottles because she still is unsure about the safety of her home’s water.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency, municipal water sample results in the city have shown “no water quality concerns.”

DeWine told Stewart that “we’ve been very careful not to tell anybody it’s OK until we have evidence that it is okay.”

He said officials advised residents not to use village water or water from an individually-owned well.

Officials and experts plan to stay in East Palestine until clean-up is finished, governor says

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine assured residents of East Palestine, Ohio, that state officials and other experts intend to stay in the town until the toxic chemicals from a train derailment earlier this month are cleaned up.

The governor said he is making a commitment to those who live there and that officials are going to do “everything we can so that you have a great future and your children have a great future.”

Ohio train derailment could prompt bipartisan agreement among lawmakers on rail regulations

Work crews and contractors remove and dispose of wreckage from a Norfolk Southern train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, US, on Monday, February 20.

A fiery train wreck that released toxic materials in an Ohio town is raising new questions in the halls of the nation’s capital over the regulation of the rail industry and if stricter measures could have prevented the disaster.

News of the derailment in East Palestine, Ohio – and its potentially harmful effects on the environment and health of local residents – has propelled both Democrats and Republicans in Congress to press the Biden administration on whether there’s enough oversight to keep rail workers and communities near railroads safe. And the supervising agency broadly responsible for regulating rail safety, the Department of Transportation, is calling on Congress to make it easier to institute safety reforms.

This rare, general bipartisan agreement about taking action in the wake of the derailment follows years of Republicans generally supporting deregulation of the rail industry, including with the broad rollback of transportation rules during the Trump administration.

Experts point out several areas of opportunity to enhance rail safety and hold rail companies further accountable: updating trains’ braking systems, shortening the lengths of freight trains, further separating cars with hazardous material, requiring more crew members to be on board and increasing penalties.

Many of these proposals, experts say, have been around for decades, and have oftentimes been diminished or entirely eliminated after rail lobbying efforts. Data compiled by the nonprofit OpenSecrets show that Norfolk Southern, the company involved in the Ohio derailment, spent $1.8 million on federal lobbying last year.

Bipartisan efforts in Congress: Congressional committees are set to review the environmental and safety impacts of the East Palestine derailment. Although efforts to enhance regulatory oversight of the rail industry have generally broken along party lines, some Republicans and Democrats appear to be moving in the same direction.

House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chair Sam Graves, a Missouri Republican, scheduled a bipartisan briefing for members of the committee last week.

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NOW: CNN's town hall on Ohio toxic train disaster has started

Portions of a Norfolk Southern freight train is seen on fire in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 4.

The CEO of Norfolk Southern, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, as well as Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine are participating in tonight’s CNN town hall.

For weeks, residents have reported a variety of health problems since the Norfolk Southern train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in early February, spewing black clouds of smoke over the community of about 5,000 people in eastern Ohio.

To help prevent a deadly explosion of vinyl chloride, crews released the toxic chemical into a trench and burned it off.

Earlier on Wednesday, EPA Administrator Michael Regan threatened expensive consequences if Norfolk Southern fails to fully clean up its toxic train wreck and pay for the fallout in East Palestine.

While the EPA says testing shows the air and municipal water are safe, Regan said those with symptoms they believe might be linked to the wreck should “seek medical attention.”

Those residents should “ensure that the state and local health agencies understand those experiences because as we force Norfolk Southern to take full accountability for what they’ve done, Norfolk Southern will pay for everything,” Regan said.

CNN’s Nouran Salahieh, Holly Yan and Claire Colbert contributed reporting to this post.

Senate hearing on derailment and EPA response will take place in early March, sources tell CNN

A Senate hearing on the toxic train derailment and cleanup in East Palestine, Ohio, is expected to be held in early March, two Senate sources familiar with the plan told CNN. 

In addition to health and safety concerns, the hearing is expected to focus on the timeline of state and federal Environmental Protection Agency response to the incident, one source told CNN.

Last week, Sens. Tom Carper of Delaware and Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia announced they would hold a hearing on the derailment without setting a date. Carper, a Democrat, is chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee and Capito, a Republican, is a ranking member of the committee.

Carper and Capito said in a statement the hearing would “examine the local, state and federal response in the immediate aftermath of the train derailment and the ongoing efforts to clean up toxic chemicals in the surrounding environment.”

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