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What we covered here

  • The House committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection held its second public hearing this month, which focused on former President Trump’s false 2020 election fraud claims.
  • The panel heard testimony from a former Fox News digital politics editor, a conservative lawyer, a former Georgia US attorney and a former GOP election official — who all debunked Trump’s claims. An ex-Trump campaign manager did not testify because his wife went into labor, but the panel showed video of his closed-door interviews. 
  • The panel also played portions of former Attorney General William Barr’s video deposition, where he described in detail why Trump’s fraud claims were “bogus.”
  • While the committee cannot bring legal charges against Trump, its central mission has been to uncover the full scope of Trump’s unprecedented attempt to stop the transfer of power and connect his election lies to the violence at the Capitol.

Our live coverage has ended. Read more about today’s hearing in the posts below.

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Takeaways from Monday's Jan. 6 committee hearing — and what to expect at the next one 

Rep. Bennie Thompson, chairman of the House select committee, center, Rep. Liz Cheney, vice chair, right, as well as Rep. Zoe Lofgren, left, and Rep. Stephanie Murphy, third from left, arrive during the second hearing on Monday, June 13.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol detailed Monday how those around then-President Donald Trump told him he lost the 2020 election — but he refused to listen, turning instead to his attorney Rudy Giuliani to embrace false claims that the election was stolen.

The hearing Monday was one witness short from what was planned, but the panel heard testimony from a former Fox News digital politics editor, a conservative lawyer, a former US attorney and a former Republican election official — who all said it was clear President Joe Biden won the election and Trump’s claims of fraud were nonsense.

The next hearing is set to take place Wednesday at 10 a.m. ET. Rep. Liz Cheney, vice chair of the committee, said the presentation will focus on Trump’s “broader planning for Jan. 6, including his plan to corrupt the Department of Justice.” The witnesses have not yet been announced.

Here are the key takeaways from the panel’s second hearing this month about Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election and the violence in the Capitol on Jan: 6.

Stepien surprise sets off a scramble — but committee quickly adapts: The committee surprised many observers Sunday when it announced that Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien would be testifying in-person at Monday’s hearing. But Stepien had a surprise of his own on Monday morning, when he found out that his wife went into labor, so he pulled out of the hearing.

This whirlwind of events forced the committee to scramble – and they handled it deftly, albeit after a 45-minute delay.

Lawmakers and committee staff were obviously prepared with video clips from Stepien’s private deposition. And they played a lot of footage from his testimony Monday, which revealed new details about his conversations with Trump and how he advised the President not to prematurely declare victory on election night.

In some ways, the outcome gave the Democratic-run committee more power to control what the public heard from Stepien. He wasn’t in the room to say his piece, which could have included some defenses of Trump and some pushback against the committee. Instead, the panel could pick and choose which deposition clips it played, and they focused like a laser on the most damaging material for Trump.

Lengthy depositions take place of witness testimony: Stepien’s testimony wasn’t the committee’s only use of depositions on Monday. The panel played lengthy portions of former Attorney General William Barr’s deposition with the committee, where he described in detail why Trump’s fraud claims were “bogus” and why he has seen nothing since to convince him there was fraud.

“There was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were,” Barr said in video of his deposition played Monday. “I was somewhat demoralized, because I thought, ‘Boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with — he’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff.’ “

The committee did not invite Barr to testify publicly for Monday’s hearing, but the minutes of his deposition that played made it feel at times as though he was there.

The video depositions have also given the committee the chance to show testimony from others in Trump’s inner circle – including Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner – without having to bring them in to testify. And by just showing video depositions, the committee controls which soundbites are aired.

Barr becomes debunker-in-chief: Democrats reviled Barr when he was in office — accusing him of wielding the powers of the Justice Department to do Trump’s bidding, undermining the Russia investigation, and pushing right-wing conspiracy theories. But over the last two weeks, Barr has become a new hero of sorts for liberals, for aggressively debunking and condemning Trump’s lies about the 2020 election.

The Democratic-run committee has featured clips from Barr’s deposition more than any other witness so far, and they interviewed more than 1,000 people as part of their yearlong investigation. These clips have established Barr as the highest-ranking Trump administration official to affirm the legitimacy of the election results and disavow Trump’s relentless effort to claim that the election was tainted by fraud.

During Monday’s hearing, Barr dismantled specific Trump-backed claims about illegal “vote dumps” in Detroit, nationwide vote-rigging by Dominion with its election machines, and other conspiracy theories.

Read more takeaways here.

Garland says he and Jan. 6 prosecutors are watching the House select committee hearings

Attorney General Merrick Garland said on Monday he plans to watch all of the hearings of the House select committee investigating the attack on the US Capitol — and that the prosecutors handling criminal cases stemming from the Jan. 6 insurrection are watching, too.

Garland has faced mounting pressure from Democrats to pursue a criminal case against former President Donald Trump and his allies related to Jan. 6.

Where things stand in the DOJ investigation: The Justice Department has arrested over 840 individuals, charging roughly 255 with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers that day – 90 of whom are charged with using a weapon or causing serious injury to an officer. 

Roughly 185 Capitol rioters have been sentenced so far, with over 80 receiving jail time.   

But the investigation is nowhere close to being over. The Justice Department is still looking for over 350 individuals who they say, “committed violent acts on Capitol grounds.” 

CNN’s Holmes Lybrand contributed reporting to this post.

Jan. 6 committee details Trump's massive post-election fundraising effort

A general view shows the House Select Committee hearing in session on Monday.

The House select committee investigating Jan. 6 claimed on Monday that former President Donald Trump and his allies used millions of dollars raised under the guise of assisting with the campaign’s election challenges for unrelated political purposes.

The panel made the case that Trump’s false claims about voter fraud dovetailed with his campaign’s fundraising effort — resulting in $250 million being donated to what was called an “official election defense fund,” that did not exist.

“The ‘Big Lie’ was also a big rip-off,” Rep Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from California, said during Monday’s hearing.

Instead, the committee claimed that most of the money raised went to the “Save America PAC,” which Trump created on Nov. 9 2020, less than a week after the election.

The PAC then made a series of large donations to a handful of other groups. More than $5 million went to Event Strategies Inc., the company that ran President Trump’s Jan. 6 rally on the ellipse that preceded the attack on the Capitol, according to the committee.

Also among the groups that received donations from Trump’s newly-created PAC was the Conservative Partnership Institute, a political organization led by former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that the committee said received $1 million from the Save America PAC.

The committee also claimed that $1 million went to the America First Policy Institute, a conservative organization which employs several former Trump administration officials. More than $200,000 was also donated to the Trump Hotel Collection. 

The Trump team sent out as many as 25 fundraising emails a day, according to the committee’s financial investigator Amanda Wick. “They knew the claims were false,” said Wick during the video played during Monday’s hearing.

“I don’t believe there is actually a fund called the Election Defense Fund,” said Hannah Allred, a former Trump campaign staffer, in a video played during Monday’s hearing.

In that same video presentation, Gary Coby, a former Trump campaign digital director, responded “yes” when asked if the election defense fund was a marketing tactic. 

“Thirty minutes after the last fundraising email was sent, the Capitol was breached,” Lofgren said during Monday’s hearing.

Schiff: "DOJ needs to investigate any credible allegations" regarding Trump campaign post-election fundraising

Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff of California, a member of the Jan. 6 committee, told CNN that the evidence that the committee unveiled today shows directly that former President Donald Trump raised money for purposes that were much different than he and his campaign claimed there were going to be used for. 

Schiff said Trump’s peddling of election lies around the 2020 presidential results was also corrupt, but added that it was not for him to say that it was a crime. 

Thompson and Lofgren stop short of saying Trump committed crimes, arguing that DOJ must make the case 

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, left, sits beside Rep. Bennie Thompson as they listen to testimony during the hearing on Monday in Washington, DC.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, chair of the Jan. 6 House select committee, told CNN that the Trump campaign misled donors by spreading false election claims — and both he and Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat, stopped short of saying Trump committed crimes, arguing that the Justice Department must make that case.

Lofgren said there’s no need to bring former Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien back to the committee in person because the video deposition was sufficient. Stepien was set to testify in the hearing Monday, but pulled out of the appearance because his wife was in labor.

She also said former Attorney General Bill Barr doesn’t want to appear in person before the committee as he feels his video deposition of 2.5 hours was sufficient and the panel does not need him in person.

Jan. 6 hearing witness Bill Stepien advising Rep. Cheney's opponent, who has backed election fraud claims

A video of Bill Stepien is played on a screen above members of the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol on Monday.

As CNN has previously reported, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien is advising Harriet Hageman, who has backed election fraud claims and is challenging January 6 Committee vice chairwoman Liz Cheney in the Wyoming GOP primary.

At depositions played during this morning’s hearing, Stepien testified that as votes continued to be counted in the days after Election Day in 2020 he and other advisers told former President Donald Trump that the odds of him winning the election were “5 to 10%.” Stepien also said that his assessment at the time was that things were looking “very, very, very bleak.”

But Hageman, who has been endorsed by Trump, has called into question the results of the 2020 election. During an interview with CNN off-camera last year, Hageman repeatedly decline to acknowledge that Joe Biden won, and said, “I think that there are legitimate questions about what happened during the 2020 election.”

In February, she told The New York Times that she didn’t know who the legitimate winner of the 2020 election was. 

Hageman also appeared with Trump at a May rally in Wyoming during which Trump spread falsehoods about the election results.

Stepien’s firm has received more than $190,000 from Hageman’s campaign this election cycle for strategy and fundraising consulting and video production, according to federal election filings.

CNN has reached out Stepien’s lawyer for comment. 

Rep. Lofgren says Kimberly Guilfoyle was paid a $60,000 speaking fee for Jan. 6 rally intro

Kimberly Guilfoyle speaks at the rally held before the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a member of the House Select Committee investigating January 6, said in an interview Monday that the committee has evidence that members of the Trump family personally benefited from money that was raised based on the former President’s false election claims.

Lofgren, who played a key role in Monday’s hearing, said specifically that Kimberly Guilfoyle was paid a $60,000 speaking fee for introducing her fiancé, Donald Trump Jr., at the Jan. 6 Ellipse rally that immediately preceded the Capitol riot. 

“It’s a grift,” Lofgren said, though she would not say if she believed there was a financial crime committed.

CNN has reached out to Guilfoyle for comment.

Catch up: Here were the key moments from today's Jan. 6 committee hearing

US Rep. Bennie Thompson delivers opening remarks during a hearing on the January 6th investigation on Monday in Washington, DC.

The House select committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol held its second public hearing of the month on Monday, which was focused on former President Trump’s lies about the 2020 election.

The committee heard testimony today from several witnesses, including former Fox digital politics editor Chris Stirewalt, conservative Republican election attorney Ben Ginsberg, former US attorney for the North District of Georgia BJay Pak and former Republican Philadelphia city commissioner Al Schmidt — who all said it was clear President Biden won the 2020 election and Trump’s claims of fraud were not factual.

The panel also played video of recorded depositions from witnesses, including son-in-law Jared Kushner and former Attorney General William Barr. Ex-Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien was slated to testify today but did not appear at the hearing because his wife is in labor. Instead, the panel showed video of his closed-door interviews.

If you’re looking to get caught up on the hearing, here were some of the key moments:

  • Trump claimed there was a “big vote dump” in Detroit, which Barr said wasn’t true. “I said, ‘Did anyone point out to you – did all the people complaining about it point out to you, you actually did better in Detroit than you did last time?’ I mean, there’s no indication of fraud in Detroit,” Barr said of his conversation with former President Trump.
  • Barr says Trump’s election fraud claims in Philadelphia “absolute rubbish”: Barr also shot down efforts by Trump to suggest there was significant fraud that could have impacted election results in the key battleground state of Pennsylvania. “The President has repeatedly suggested there was some kind of outpouring of unexpected votes in inner-city areas like Philadelphia,” Barr said in a video clip. The former attorney general referenced a January interview with NPR where Trump suggested that more people voted in Philadelphia than there were voters. “That was absolute rubbish,” Barr said of the claim.
  • Barr said Trump claimed major fraud before there was “any potential of looking at evidence”: Barr told the committee that Trump claimed there was major fraud underway “right out of the box on election night … before there was actually any potential of looking at evidence,” according to a previously unseen video clip from his closed-door interview with the panel played during today’s hearing. 
  • Barr said he reiterated “they wasted a whole month on these claims on the Dominion voting machines, and they were idiotic claims.” Trump’s outside lawyers and right-wing media made baseless claims that Dominion voting machines had been used to change votes in the election. “I specifically raised the Dominion voting machines, which I found to be among the most disturbing allegations – disturbing in the sense that I saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public,” Barr said. 
  • Jared Kushner said he opposed Rudy Giuliani’s 2020 election lies: Some Trump’s top aides were deeply uncomfortable with the conspiracy theories that his outside advisers were pushing about the 2020 election, according to new testimony revealed at the hearing. In a videotaped deposition, Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, said he opposed Giuliani’s post-election activities, though based on Kushner’s own description of his pushback, it did not sound all that forceful. “I guess, yes,” Kushner said, explaining that he told Trump that Giuliani’s strategy was “basically not the approach I would take if I was you.” Kushner said Trump responded by expressing “confidence in Rudy.”  
  • An ex-Trump campaign manager said the former President disagreed on election night that it was too early to declare victory: A video clip was played during the hearing featuring former Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien describing a conversation he had with Trump on election night, in which Trump disagreed with Stepien’s recommendation to say it was too early to call the race. The committee played video from Stepien’s deposition where he said that it was his recommendation to say it was “too early to tell” who won the race. “The President disagreed with that,” Stepien said. “I don’t recall the particular words. He thought I was wrong, he told me so, and that they were going to go in a different direction.”
  • Former White House lawyer said he never believed Dominion Voting Systems had switched votes: Eric Herschmann, a lawyer who worked in the Trump White House, told the committee he never believed conspiracy theories that election contractor Dominion Voting Systems had switched votes. “I thought the Dominion stuff was … I never saw any evidence whatsoever to sustain those allegations,” Herschmann said in his taped deposition, of which the committee played a short clip. “His view was shared by many of the Trump team whom we interviewed,” Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney said. Cheney also quoted former Barr, who called the Dominion accusations “complete nonsense.” 
  • Alleged “suitcase of ballots” was an official lockbox, former US attorney for North District of Georgia says: Former US Attorney BJay Pak said Georgia Secretary of State’s office investigated a claim by the Trump team of suitcases full of ballots being pulled out from underneath tables after poll watchers were told to leave in Georgia. Pak said his office conducted its own investigation and found that the “suitcase full of ballots” was an official lockbox where ballots were stored to be kept safe.
  • Former Philadelphia city commissioner says Trump’s tweet escalated level of threats against him and his family: Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican, said the threats against him became more specific and more graphic after former President Donald Trump tweeted against him following the 2020 election. “On some level it feels almost silly to talk about a tweet, but we can really see the impact that they have. Because prior to that [tweet], the threats were pretty general in nature,” he told the Jan. 6 committee. “After the President tweeted at me by name, calling me out the way that he did, the threats became much more specific, much more graphic. And included not just me by name but included members of my family by name, their ages, our address, pictures of our home.”

Read takeaways from today’s hearing here.

What we know about what happened in the White House the night of the 2020 election

Monday’s second hearing from the House Jan. 6 committee brought new information to light on what happened the night of the 2020 election inside former President Donald Trump’s White House.

Here’s what we know:

  • White House officials and advisers, including the Trump’s family, were in attendance at an event on the residence side of the White House the night of the election. Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, both former White House senior advisers, detailed their presence to the committee. Kushner, who spoke via deposition tape, said that President Trump was in the upper level of the residence where he met with advisers while votes were coming in.
  • While “apparently inebriated,” according to Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, Rudy Giuliani pushed election fraud conspiracies to Trump that he would eventually use as a backing for the lie that he won. Trump’s then-spokesperson Jason Miller told the committee in his deposition that “the mayor was definitely intoxicated” at the White House on election night.
  • In a deposition tape, former Attorney General Bill Barr said Trump claimed election fraud “right out of the box on election night … before there was actually any potential of looking at evidence.”
  • Bill Stepien, Trump’s former campaign manager, recalled during a video clip played by the committee that Trump disagreed that it was too early to call the election and that he said, “they were going to go in a different direction.” Kushner said he told the former President that if he were in his position, calling the election early ” [was] not the approach I would take if I was you”
  • Matt Morgan, the Trump campaign’s general counsel, said in a videotaped deposition that after speaking with counsel after hearing about Rudy Giuliani’s conspiracies about election fraud, it was determined that “the law firms were not comfortable making the arguments that Rudy Giuliani was making publicly.”
  • In the early morning hours of Nov. 5, Trump addressed the nation via video and falsely claimed victory.

Cheney says Wednesday's Jan. 6 committee hearing will focus on Trump's "broader planning for Jan. 6"

A video plays at the hearing on Monday in Washington, DC.

Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, the vice chair of the House select committee, said Monday’s hearing was “very narrowly focused,” but the panel plans to lay out evidence that paints a broader picture of former President Donald Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 riot at its next hearing, which is set to take place Wednesday at 10 a.m. ET.

The presentation will focus on Trump’s “broader planning for Jan. 6, including his plan to corrupt the Department of Justice,” Cheney said in her closing remarks.

The committee’s central mission has been to uncover the full scope of Trump’s unprecedented attempt to stop the transfer of power to President Biden. This includes Trump’s attempts to overturn his 2020 defeat by pressuring state and federal officials, and what committee members say was his “dereliction of duty” on Jan. 6, 2021, while his supporters ransacked the US Capitol.

Cheney outlined more of the committee’s plans during the panel’s first prime-time hearing last Thursday. Here’s what to expect moving forward:

  • The third hearing on Wednesday will show how “Trump corruptly planned to replace the Attorney General of the United States so the US Justice Department would spread his false stolen election claims,” Cheney said.
  • Cheney said the fourth hearing will illustrate “Trump’s efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on Jan. 6th.”
  • The fifth hearing will provide “evidence that President Trump corruptly pressured state legislators and election officials to change election results,” including “details” about Trump’s call to Georgia officials urging them to “find” votes.
  • Finally, the last two June hearings will show how “Trump summoned a violent mob and directed them, illegally, to march on the US Capitol” and “failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.”

Potential upcoming witnesses: CNN has learned that two people directly tied to former Vice President Mike Pence are among those who have received invitations to appear before the committee. Former Pence chief counsel Greg Jacob and former federal Judge J. Michael Luttig have received outreach from the committee about their possible testimony.

In addition, CNN has also learned former Pence chief of staff Marc Short is expected to be called to testify. All three men have already been interviewed privately by committee investigators. In some cases, their testimony has already been used by the committee as part of court filings and subpoena requests of other potential witnesses in their investigation.

How to watch: The committee’s next hearing on Wednesday will be aired live on CNN and a livestream will be featured on CNN.com without requiring a login. CNN’s special coverage of the hearing will stream live on the CNN app, and live coverage with updates will be on CNN.com and cnnespanol.cnn.com.

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The Jan. 6 committee’s second hearing has ended.

Former Attorney General Barr: Trump's election fraud claims in Philadelphia "absolute rubbish"

In a video clip played at the hearing, former Attorney General Bill Barr shot down efforts by former President Donald Trump to suggest there was significant fraud that could have impacted election results in the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

Barr instead argued that the reality was simply that Trump did not perform particularly well electorally in the state.

Barr said there was nothing abnormal about how many people came out to vote in Philadelphia — and that the “obvious explanation” was that “Trump ran weaker than the Republican ticket generally” in the state.

Here’s what Barr said:

While Trump won the state of Pennsylvania in 2016 — which is usually highly contested in presidential elections — President Joe Biden won the state in 2020.

Attorney Ginsberg: "There was no credible evidence of fraud produced by the Trump campaign or his supporters"

Conservative Republican election attorney Ben Ginsberg

Conservative Republican election attorney Ben Ginsberg said there was “never” an instance in which a court found that Trump’s campaign’s fraud claims were credible.

Democratic Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said the select committee has identified 62 post-election lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign and his allies between Nov. 4, 2020, and Jan. 6, 2021. Lofgren said those cases resulted in 61 losses and “only a single victory which actually didn’t affect the outcome for either candidate.”

Asked what he thinks of the claims that Trump was not given an opportunity to provide evidence they had voter fraud and whether they had their day in court, Ginsberg said, “They did have their day in court. About half of those cases that you mentioned were dismissed at the procedural stage for a lack of standing, the proper people didn’t bring the case, or there wasn’t sufficient evidence and it got dismissed on a motion to dismiss.”

“But in the other, there were discussions of the merits that were contained in the complaints. And in no instance did a court find that the charges of fraud were real. And it’s also worth noting that even if the Trump campaign complained that it did not have its day in court, there had been post-election reviews in each of the six battleground states that could have made a difference,” he told the committee. He went on to list list examples, including the hand recount in Georgia.

More on the witness: Ginsberg is considered a leading Republican expert on election fraud and played a critical role in the Florida recount case when then-candidate George W. Bush defeated then-Vice President Al Gore.

Even before the election, Ginsberg was vocal about the weakness of the former President’s claims. In a September 2020 essay, Ginsberg criticized the assertions as lacking evidence and “unsustainable.”

The hearing on Monday morning was set to focus on how Trump questioned the election process widely, knowing their assertions would not change the outcome, committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney, a Republican of Wyoming, said last week. 

She said the committee will strive to show how “Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information” even though “Trump and his advisors knew that he had, in fact, lost the election.” 

CNN’s Jamie Gangel contributed reporting to this post.

Alleged "suitcase of ballots" was an official lockbox, former US attorney for North District of Georgia says

BJay Pak, the former US attorney for the North District of Georgia, said his office found that the alleged “suitcase full of ballots” was an official lockbox.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has petitioned the US Supreme Court to take up a lawsuit against Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia, claiming that there are voting irregularities in each state that still require investigation.

The filing says there is video of “suitcases full of ballots being pulled out from underneath tables after poll watchers were told to leave.”

Georgia Secretary of State’s office investigated these but didn’t find any evidence of fraud.

Pak said his office conducted its own investigation and found that the “suitcase full of ballots” was an official lockbox where ballots were stored to be kept stafe. The boxes were kept under the tables, he said.

Pak said there was a “misunderstanding” and the partisan poll watchers, assigned by each respective, were told they were done counting ballots for the night and were told they could go home.

Pak said they brought back the official ballot box and the poll workers started counting the ballots from the lockbox that was initially packed up.

“Unfortunately, during the Senate hearing, Mr. Giuliani only played a clip that showed them pulling out the official ballot box from under the table,” Pak said.

“In actuality, in review of the entire video, it showed that it was an official ballot box that was kept underneath the tables,” Pak added. “Then we saw them pack up, because the announcement they thought they were done for the night — once the announcement was made that they should continue counting, they brought the ballot box back out.”

Former Philadelphia city commissioner says Trump's tweet escalated level of threats against him and his family

Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican, said the threats against him became more specific and more graphic after former President Donald Trump tweeted against him.

Trump, who continues to make unfounded claims about voter fraud and claims that the election has been stolen from him, had attacked Schmidt on Twitter on Nov. 11, 2020, calling him a “RINO,” or a “Republican in name only.”

“He refuses to look at a mountain of corruption & dishonesty. We win!” Trump had tweeted.

Former Philadelphia commissioner says they took claims of election fraud seriously "no matter how absurd"

Al Schmidt, who served as the only Republican member of Philadelphia’s three-member city commission overseeing the 2020 presidential election, said the commission investigated claims made by Trump and his team of election fraud and found none.

These claims, made by Trump’s allies, included an allegation by Rudy Giuliani that 8,000 dead people voted in the state of Pennsylvania in 2020. Schmidt said this was not true.

Schmidt said that the team “took seriously every case that was referred to us, no matter how fantastical, no matter how absurd,” including the claim of thousands of dead voters.

A former Republican Philadelphia city commissioner is testifying

Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt poses for a photo outside the Pennsylvania Convention Centre on November 6, 2020.

Former Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt is testifying now before the Jan. 6 committee hearing.

The Republican official was a notable voice in the aftermath of the 2020 US presidential election, when he debunked then-President Donald Trump’s baseless claims about election fraud in the city.

Schmidt’s home state of Pennsylvania was key in the Trump campaign’s efforts to potentially overturn the 2020 election results.

Schmidt was in a position to investigate fraud claims after the 2020 election, and did not uncover evidence of substantial fraud.

The former US attorney for the North District of Georgia is testifying. Here's what to know about him.

Former US attorney for the North District of Georgia Byung "BJay" Pak is seen following a news conference in Atlanta in 2019.

Former US attorney for the North District of Georgia BJay Pak, who abruptly quit during then-President Donald Trump’s mission to overturn the results of the election, is testifying now before the Jan. 6 committee. He was in the position to investigate fraud claims after the 2020 election, and did not uncover evidence of substantial fraud.

Pak resigned from his position after learning that Trump was considering firing him in early January, around the same time that Trump urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, to “find” enough votes for Trump to win.

He is appearing before the House select committee Monday voluntarily after receiving a letter of invitation. He is not testifying under a subpoena, his attorney, Edward Kang, told CNN.

The circumstances surrounding Pak’s departure were among the lingering mysteries from a chaotic stretch in early January. At the time, Trump and his allies were focused squarely on Georgia as they sought to push unfounded claims of mass election fraud. Two days before Pak’s resignation on Jan. 4, Trump pressured Raffensperger to validate bogus claims of election fraud in the state.

After Pak’s surprise resignation, Trump replaced him with his US attorney in Savannah, bypassing the normal chain of succession and raising suspicions about Pak’s departure.

CNN’s Evan Perez and Katelyn Polantz contributed to this report.

Read more background on Pak here.

Here is Barr's point-by-point rebuttal of Trump's fraud claims

Former President Donald Trump’s Attorney General William Barr provided the House Jan. 6 Committee with a detailed, point-by-point rebuttal of Trump’s false claims about the election in his closed-door deposition. 

In lengthy excerpts of Barr’s taped deposition played during Monday’s hearing, Barr told the committee there was an “avalanche” of fraud allegations coming into the Justice Department after the election that he likened to “playing whack-a-mole.

“There was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were,” Barr said. “My opinion then and my opinion now is that the election was not stolen by fraud. And I haven’t seen anything since the election that changes my mind on that.” 

On Dec. 1, 2020, Barr told the Associated Press that the Justice Department did not find substantial evidence of voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. Trump was furious at Barr during an Oval Office meeting later that day, Barr said in his deposition.

Among Barr’s rebuttals of fraud played at Monday’s hearing: 

  • Barr said that Trump claimed there was a “big vote dump” in Detroit, which Barr said wasn’t true. “I said, ‘Did anyone point out to you – did all the people complaining about it point out to you, you actually did better in Detroit than you did last time?’ I mean, there’s no indication of fraud in Detroit,” Barr said of his conversation with Trump.
  • Barr said he reiterated “they wasted a whole month on these claims on the Dominion voting machines, and they were idiotic claims.” Trump’s outside lawyers and right-wing media made baseless claims that Dominion voting machines had been used to change votes in the election. “I specifically raised the Dominion voting machines, which I found to be among the most disturbing allegations – disturbing in the sense that I saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public,” Barr said. 
  • During a confrontation on Dec. 14, 2020, Barr said that Trump gave him a report that claimed “absolute proof” the Dominion voting machines had been rigged. Barr said that the report “looked very amateurish to me,” and he “didn’t see any supporting information” for the fraud claims. “I was somewhat demoralized, because I thought, ‘Boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with – he’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff.’”
  • Barr criticized the movie “2,000 Mules” — a conservative film Trump has embraced that falsely claimed to have uncovered fraud in the 2020 election. In referencing the movie during his taped deposition, Barr laughed derisively. “When the movie came out, I think the photographic evidence in it was completely – I mean, there was a little bit of it, but it was lacking,” Barr said of the movie. “It didn’t establish widespread, illegal harvesting.”  

Clarification: This post has been updated to clarify when the “absolute proof” exchange between Barr and Trump took place.

The Jan. 6 committee hearing is back from recess

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol is back after taking a short break.

Here’s who is testifying next:

  • Conservative election attorney Ben Ginsberg, who is expected to speak about the failed court cases pursued by Trump’s team.
  • US attorney for the North District of Georgia BJay Pak, who was pressured to embrace Trump’s fraud claims and resigned.
  • Former Philadelphia city commissioner Al Schmidt, who debunked false claims about election fraud in Philadelphia.

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