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The latest on the Trump impeachment inquiry

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What you need to know

  • Second whistleblower: The lawyer for the first intelligence whistleblower said yesterday he is representing a second whistleblower regarding President Trump’s actions.
  • Missed deadline: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo defended the State Department missing a Friday deadline set by the House to turn over documents requested under a congressional subpoena. 
  • Trump vs. Romney: Trump called for Sen. Mitt Romney to be “impeached” in a tweet Saturday after the Republican from Utah criticized the President. (Senators and members of Congress can’t be “impeached,” according to the US Constitution.)
  • Our live coverage has ended, but you can scroll through the posts to read more.
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Trump's personal lawyer said calls for impeachment are "absurd"

Jay Sekulow, President Trump’s personal lawyer, said Monday night that it was “absurd” to say the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was an impeachable offense.

“How can you look at what he did there and not say it was wrong? I’m not saying illegal, I’m not saying impeachable, but wrong?” asked CNN’s Chris Cuomo In a contentious on-air interview.

He added that the Constitution defines impeachable offenses as “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

“Here’s what it means. It means that a conversation from a head of state to another head of state, that is exactly what that transcript shows, never could reach the idea of a high crime or misdemeanor. What is the high crime or misdemeanor involved in there?” Sekulow said.

4 key developments in the impeachment inquiry

House Democrats expanded their impeachment inquiry into President Trump today.

They subpoenaed the Pentagon and Office of Management and Budget regarding the decision to hold up foreign aid to Ukraine. They are demanding the agencies turn over documents by Oct. 15.

If you’re just tuning in, here’s what else you need to know today:

  • Inquiry continues: Democrats have requested information from three Rudy Giuliani associates — Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-American businessman who worked with Giuliani; Igor Fruman, a business partner of Parnas; and Semyon “Sam” Kislin, a former aide to Giuliani. Lawmakers are also warning they will subpoena the associates if they do not comply with their requests for documents and depositions.
  • Whistleblower protection: The House Intelligence Committee and lawyers for the whistleblower who filed a complaint about Trump’s conduct are discussing extreme measures to protect the individual’s identity amid growing concerns about his or her safety, according to several sources familiar with the process. Among the measures being discussed are the possibility of using an off-site location, limiting Hill staff and members who would be present and even disguising the individual’s image and voice, the sources said.
  • Rick Perry: The Energy Secretary said he “absolutely” asked Trump “multiple times” to call Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, but about energy — not former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Perry’s spokesperson also confirmed that he was not on Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky.
  • The second whistleblower: Trump told reporters today he is “not at all” concerned about a second whistleblower. The attorney for the first intelligence whistleblower who came forward with accusations concerning Trump and his interactions with Ukraine said he and other lawyers on his team are now representing the second person, who the lawyer said works in the intelligence community, has first-hand knowledge that supports claims made by the first whistleblower and has spoken to the intelligence community’s inspector general.

Trump says he's "not at all" concerned by a second whistleblower

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper (L) and Gen. Mark A. Milley (R) listen while President Donald Trump speaks before a meeting with senior military leaders in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington DC on Oct. 7, 2019.

President Trump told reporters today he is “not at all” concerned about a second whistleblower, once again claiming his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a “perfect call” despite evidence to the contrary. 

The President also ignored multiple questions on whether he was serious about asking China to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son. 

Trump made the comments during a meeting with senior military advisers.

Podcast: CNN's political director looks at the GOP's response to the impeachment inquiry

CNN Political Director David Chalian talks about the GOP’s response to the impeachment inquiry and what it means for Republicans in today’s episode of “The Daily DC: Impeachment Watch” podcast.

Here’s a look at the other topics covered:

  • Joe Biden and the pushback plan
  • The second whistleblower
  • National security concerns

Chalian is joined by CNN National Correspondent Athena Jones and Samantha Vinograd, a CNN national security analyst who served on President Barack Obama’s National Security Council and at the Treasury Department under President George W. Bush.

Listen to the podcast here.

Trump: The impeachment inquiry "makes it harder to do my job"

President Donald Trump speaks after a signing ceremony for a trade agreement with Japan in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Monday, October 7.

President Trump continued his criticism of the House impeachment inquiry today, calling it a “scam.”

Trump went on to say House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Intel Committee Chairman Adam Schiff “should really be looked at really strongly.”

“You can’t impeach a president for doing a great job,” the President told reporters.

Trump said the inquiry “makes it harder to do my job.”

Extreme measures being considered to protect the whistleblower's identity

The House Intelligence Committee and lawyers for the whistleblower, who filed a complaint about President Trump’s conduct, are discussing extreme measures to protect the individual’s identity amid growing concerns about his or her safety, according to several sources familiar with the process.

It’s still unclear when the whistleblower might ultimately talk with the committee. But talks are underway looking at several options to attempt to prevent the whistleblower from being identified or to have his or her name leaked to the press.

Here are some of the measures being discussed:

  • The possibility of using an off-site location, limiting Hill staff and members who would be present and even disguising the individual’s image and voice, the sources said.
  • Any secure facility, known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), could be used for the meeting, potentially the facilities located at Langley or Fort Meade.
  • There are also ways to bring the whistleblower up to Capitol Hill without being seen by the press, including what one source described as the “Petraeus treatment,” referring to the former CIA Director and commander of US Central Command David Petraeus’ private testimony from years back.

Sources familiar with the situation have told CNN that the lawyers for the whistleblower are still working on obtaining the appropriate security clearances so they can accompany their client to the meeting with lawmakers and/or Hill staff and that process appears to be ongoing.

Trump's re-election campaign pushes forward as White House struggles with impeachment strategy

As the White House struggles to form a clear message and effective strategy to the fast-moving impeachment inquiry, President Trump’s re-election effort attempted to take the lead today.

Alongside the Republican National Committee, the campaign held a conference call where officials forcefully reiterated White House talking points, discredited national polling on impeachment and touted ad buys and new donors as proof Democrats are going down the wrong path.

Representatives from the campaign and RNC declared this a “great partnership” of “efforts to hold Democrats accountable.”

While some of their claims were misleading or wrong, it was the strongest, most concerted effort to defend Trump thus far. There has been internal grumbling inside the White House that there is no real strategy to counter Democrats, complaints that officials said were validated when not a single White House official appeared on television Sunday. 

The White House has also not held any calls or briefings with reporters to discuss impeachment. 

During the campaign’s call, Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh railed against Democrats’ “never-ending fishing expedition,” calling the latest news regarding the President’s call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and resulting questions the latest “excuse” to “tear down President Trump.”

Murtaugh said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are “putting politics before facts,” claiming that there is “no evidence or any facts on their side” and, that’s why they are not holding a formal vote.

Not all Murtaugh’s claims were accurate. He said that the initial whistleblower had not witnessed anything firsthand, though the intelligence community inspector general says that’s not so — the anonymous official did have some firsthand information. Murtaugh also asserted that the second whistleblower’s account “means absolutely nothing.”

Republican senator: Trump should not have asked Ukraine or China to investigate Biden

Sen. Rob Portman, a Republican from Ohio, told the Columbus Dispatch he believes President Trump should not have asked Ukraine or China for help investigating former Vice President Joe Biden.

This comes as many congressional Republicans remain silent on the President’s plea to foreign governments.

The senator said he did not think Congress should pursue impeachment, but he did concede that a bipartisan group, such as the Senate Intelligence Committee, could investigate the allegations against the President.

Portman also told the Dispatch he, along with a bipartisan group of senators, sought reform in the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office in 2016 because they thought he wasn’t doing enough to stop corruption, contradicting Trump’s accusation that chief prosecutor Viktor Shokin was fired because he was looking into a Ukrainian gas company associated with Hunter Biden.

There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden in Ukraine.

About Shokin: Trump has claimed Biden pressured Ukraine to take Shokin “off the case.” Biden pressured Ukrainian leaders to fire Shokin— the Obama administration, US allies and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists saw Shokin as unwilling to prosecute elite corruption — but there is no public evidence that Biden sought to get Shokin removed from any particular case.

GOP leaders talked about new polling on impeachment in a call today

GOP leaders discussed new polling on impeachment on a call today for members.

The topic of the call this afternoon among Republicans was for leadership to share some polling numbers from swing districts, according to one Republican source.

The takeaway, according to one GOP source familiar with the call, is the national poll numbers that have been discussed in the media are driven by more Democratic base voters growing to support impeachment.

But, the source said Republicans were briefed on impeachment polling from 31 Trump districts — currently held by Democrats — that showed opposition to impeachment was greater than support for it.

3 things happening today in the impeachment probe

House Democrats continued to move forward with their impeachment inquiry into President Trump today.

If you’re just joining us, here’s where things stand today:

  • Inquiry continues: The House Committees leading the impeachment inquiry had initially scheduled four depositions this week with State Department officials, but only two are confirmed, and the committees are still negotiating with the other witnesses they are seeking, according to a committee source. US Ambassador to the EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland will testify behind closed doors tomorrow, and former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch will appear on Friday.
  • Rick Perry: The Energy Secretary said he “absolutely” asked Trump “multiple times” to call Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, but about energy — not former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Perry’s spokesperson also confirmed that he was not on Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky.
  • More subpoenas: The Democratic chairmen of the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees today subpoenaed the Pentagon and the Office of Management and Budget for documents on the decision to withhold military assistance to Ukraine. They are demanding the agencies turn over documents by Oct. 15. 

Democrats say they'll subpoena Giuliani associates if they don't turn over documents and give depositions

Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and current lawyer for President Donald Trump, speaks to members of the media in May 2018 on the South Lawn of the White House.

House Democrats are warning they will subpoena three Rudy Giuliani associates if they do not comply with their requests for documents and depositions as part of the impeachment investigation. 

They have not cooperated so far, a source said. Two were supposed to testify at the end of this week and another next week. And the deadline to turn over documents is today.

“While we have engaged with counsels for these witnesses, they have so far refused to agree to testify or turn over relevant documents — if they continue to fail to comply, they will be served with subpoenas in short order,” according to an official working on the impeachment inquiry.

These are the associates:

  • Lev Parnas: A Ukrainian-American businessman who is asked to provide any documents and communications after Jan. 20, 2017 related to Hunter Biden, Paul Manafort, President Trump, the White House, Giuliani and more. Parnas told NPR that he arranged Giuliani’s call with a former Ukrainian prosecutor. A letter asked him to turn over documents by today and be deposed on Thursday.
  • Igor Fruman: A business partner of Parnas who is asked to provide documents from after Jan. 20, 2017. The letter asked him to turn over documents by today and be deposed on Friday.
  • Semyon “Sam” Kislin: His website says he was on Mayor Giuliani’s Council of Economic Advisers and the committees ask him to provide documents from after after Jan. 20, 2017. A letter asked him to turn over documents by today and be deposed next week, on Oct. 14.

White House chief of staff predicts Trump will win 45 states in 2020 if impeached

Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney listens during a working lunch with governors at the White House in June 2019.

White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said that President Trump will win 45 states in the 2020 election if he’s impeached by the House.

He made the prediction in a senior staff meeting at the White House last week.

Earlier, CNN reported that Trump was frustrated by internal efforts to strategize around impeachment, believing it made him look weak. Mulvaney was involved in those conversations about introducing an impeachment defense team. 

Rick Perry was not on Trump's call with Zelensky

Energy Secretary Rick Perry speaks during a news conference in Vilnius, Lithuania, Monday, October 7.

Energy Secretary Rick Perry did was not part of the July 25 call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, his spokesman told CNN.

Asked in an e-mail to confirm that Perry was not on the July 25 call, his spokesperson Shaylyn Hynes said “correct.”

Why this matters: Perry said today he “absolutely” asked Trump “multiple times” to call Zelensky, but about energy — not former Vice President Joe Biden and his son — and said he is not leaving his role in the administration.

His response comes on the heels of reports that Trump told lawmakers Perry urged him to make the call that has become a key focus of House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into the President.

House Democrats subpoena budget office and Pentagon for Ukraine aid documents

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff looks on during a weekly news conference held by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday, October 2.

The Democratic chairmen of the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees today subpoenaed the Pentagon and the Office of Management and Budget for documents on the decision to withhold military assistance to Ukraine. 

Reps. Adam Schiff, Elijah Cummings and Eliot Engel are demanding the agencies turn over documents by Oct. 15. 

The subpoenas are part of the House impeachment inquiry.

More context on this: President Donald Trump admitted last month that he delayed aid to Ukraine ahead of a call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, when he pushed the leader to look into potential rival Joe Biden and his son’s work, giving the excuse that he was waiting for European nations to contribute their fair share of aid and claiming there was “never any quid pro quo.”

House Intelligence Committee is still negotiating with other witnesses for depositions

The House Committees leading the impeachment inquiry had initially scheduled four depositions this week with State Department officials, but only two are confirmed, and the committees are still negotiating with the other witnesses they are seeking, according to a committee source.

The committees are in “ongoing discussions” with those officials they have yet to nail down, the source said.

US Ambassador to the EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland will testify behind closed doors on Tuesday, and former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch will appear on Friday. The depositions will follow the same format as former US Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker.

The committees had also scheduled interviews this week with Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent and State Department counselor Ulrich Brechbuhl, but those have yet to be finalized. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the committees the schedule they had set for the State Department officials was unfeasible and he would seek to block their testimony.

The panels have also requested testimony from Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-American businessman who worked with Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine, and Igor Fruman, a business partner of Parnas.

White House economic adviser: "I honestly don't know" if Trump was joking about calls for China to investigate Biden

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow speaks to members of the media outside the White House on Monday, October 7.

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said he “honestly” doesn’t know if President Trump meant what he said when he publicly asked China to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.

“I don’t honestly know,” Kudlow said when asked if Trump was joking when he made the public plea. Kudlow emphasized that request would be “unrelated to the trade talks.”

He later added that possible investigations into the Bidens have never come up during trade talks, and he insisted that they never will.

Remember: There is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens. 

Volker resigns from McCain Institute

Former Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker departs following a closed-door deposition led by the House Intelligence Committee on Capitol Hill on Thursday, October 3.

Former special representative for Ukraine and executive director of the McCain Institute Kurt Volker announced Monday he is stepping down.

More context: CNN reported last week that Volker was planning to resign. A source said the McCain Institute was sticking by him and then the text messages were released indicating he was much more involved in the Ukraine scandal than he’d led folks to believe. Leading to his expedited departure.

CNN asked 80 Congressional Republicans about Trump's call to investigate Biden. Here's who responded.

CNN contacted in recent days dozens of offices for Republican lawmakers in the House and Senate to see if any had concerns about President Donald Trump’s remarkable public call for foreign governments to investigate Joe Biden, a leading Democratic candidate to replace him as President, and Biden’s son Hunter.

Only a few of the 80 responded.

Sen. Lamar Alexander, Rep. Devin Nunes and Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner gave statements to CNN.

Aides for several others said they would check or directed CNN to statements made to other outlets.

You can read the full list of all the lawmakers asked and their responses here.

Here's when we'll see Trump today

President Trump is scheduled to appear in the Roosevelt Room at the White House at 3:30 p.m. ET to sign the US-Japan Trade Agreement and US-Japan Digital Trade Agreement, according to the President’s official schedule put out by his staff today.

The press will be there for the, but it is unclear if he’ll take any questions.

Later on, he’ll participate in a briefing with senior military leaders and spouses in the Blue Room at 6 p.m. ET.

A GOP senator said he doesn't trust the FBI. Andrew McCabe accused him of trying to "work himself back into the President's good favor."

Former FBI Director Andrew McCabe pushed back on the Senate Homeland Security chair Ron Johnson’s assertion that he doesn’t “trust” the US intelligence community.

“I think his comments yesterday are a pretty obvious attempt to work himself back into the President’s good favor,” McCabe said on CNN this morning. “It’s just really disappointing that he had to throw the entire intelligence community under the bus to do that.”

First some context: Johnson yesterday said he is “sympathetic” to what President Trump has “gone through.” In a tense interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd, Johnson asked “Who leaked?” and “Who set him up?” while asserting he doesn’t trust the FBI and CIA.

McCabe this morning defended the work that the FBI and other intelligence organizations do, and said Johnson’s comments “reduces the morale” of agency employees and could stop others from joining.

He continued: It not only reduces the morale of the folks who are trying to keep us safe every day but likely discourages other good people from joining those pursuits.

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