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All over the world, there are people who are living extraordinary lives, full of happiness and health – and with hardly any heart disease, cancer or diabetes. Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been on a decades-long mission to understand how they do it, and how we can all learn from them. Scientists now believe we can even reverse the symptoms of Alzheimer’s dementia, and in fact grow sharper and more resilient as we age. Sanjay is a dad – of three teenage daughters, he is a doctor - who operates on the brain, and he is a reporter with more than two decades of experience - who travels the earth to uncover and bring you the secrets of the happiest and healthiest people on the planet – so that you too, can Chase Life.

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Billy Joel’s Brain Condition, Explained
Chasing Life
Jun 3, 2025

When Billy Joel canceled part of his tour because of a brain condition known as normal pressure hydrocephalus, a lot of you had questions. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains what it is, how it’s diagnosed, and what you should know if someone in your life is dealing with it.

Episode Transcript
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:00:03
Welcome to Paging Dr. Gupta. You know, I always really look forward to this time of the week. It's a chance for me to connect with you. I get to hear what's on your mind and I get hopefully make some sense of the health questions you've been asking. But thank you so much for sending in all your questions. It really means a lot and I really do love hearing from you. Many of you apparently have been following the news because you saw that music legend, Billy Joel, recently canceled part of his tour after being diagnosed with a condition called normal pressure hydrocephalus, or NPH. Now, hydrocephalus is a condition people often associate with infants, with babies. You might've heard it described as water on the brain. But the thing about hydrocephalus, it can also occur in adults, typically people over the age of 65. So I'll tell ya, you know, Billy Joel, first of all, I love Billy Joel. One of the first concerts I ever attended, I'm a huge fan. When I heard about his diagnosis especially as a neurosurgeon it really got my attention and judging from all the questions you've been sending in seems like it got your attention as well. So today, we're taking a closer look at NPH, normal pressure hydrocephalus. Kyra's back with us. Kyra, who are we hearing from?
Kyra Dahring
00:01:17
Hey Sanjay! So today we're starting off with a question from Robert in Wells, Maine, and he wants to know what causes hydrocephalus?
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:01:26
'All right, Kyra, thank you. And Robert, thank for that question. Couple things first, couple basics. Cerebral spinal fluid, fluid that is circulating around the cerebrum, the brain and the spine. So imagine your brain and your spinal cord and you got this fluid that is constantly bathing it. That's the cerebral spinal fluid and we are continuously making this cerebral spinal fluid or CSF. It bathes the brain and the spinal cord and then it gets reabsorbed into the bloodstream. Hydrocephalus is basically an abnormal buildup of that fluid. So there's these normal fluid-filled spaces in the brain called ventricles. When you get a CT scan or some sort of brain imaging, you see what normal ventricle size looks like, and then you see hydrocephalus, where those normal ventacles look plump, look swollen, look filled with fluid. The type that Billy Joel has is called normal pressure hydrocephalus, and that's In large part because the fluid has built up slowly over time. And as a result, the fluid pressure inside the head is normal or close to normal. It's not elevated. Why does it happen? Well, sometimes we just don't know. Sometimes it's because the surrounding brain shrinks a bit and this fluid is sort of filling in that space. Sometimes it is because there is old head trauma, infection, tumors, perhaps a complication from surgery. But again, a lot of times we don't now. We do know that it can cause specific symptoms. In fact, classic, what we call triad of symptoms, three symptoms, which are difficulty with walking, difficulty with cognition, and difficulty with bladder control. And these are some of the symptoms that Billy Joel has. So he has this condition, normal pressure hydrocephalus. He has some of these associated symptoms. And I'm sure right now, they're probably having conversations with their doctors about what to do, how to best treat this. Now, one thing I will tell you is that normal pressure hydrocephalus is not a common condition, but it's a mimic of other conditions. Someone comes into the office with cognition problems. A lot of times you may think, well, this is dementia. You get a brain scan, and you find, in fact, that the patient has normal pressure hydrocepsalus, potentially treatable. Sometimes patients come in with questionable Parkinson's disease. They get a brain scan and they're found to have normal pressure hydrocephalus, potentially treatable. You can see the pattern here. So again, not common, but potentially a treatable condition that mimics other existing conditions.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:04:07
Now coming up, one of you asked about something that your mom is going through, a spinal tap for normal pressure hydrocephalus. Could it actually help? What else could possibly help? We're gonna talk it through right after the break.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:04:27
Okay, pager's going off again. Means we got another question, Kyra?
Kyra Dahring
00:04:31
This next one is from Patty in Florida. She wrote in asking: Recently my mom, who's 82, has been diagnosed with NPH. Next week, she's having a spinal tap. Can you tell me if it will make things better?
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:04:46
All right, Patty, the spinal tap, the lumbar puncture, as it is sometimes called, what you're talking about is part of a diagnostic workup that we do. Diagnostic, mean it's intended to diagnose, not necessarily treat, but sometimes diagnostic tests can offer temporary treatment as well. Let me explain it like this: imagine that fluid again, circulating around the brain and the spinal cord, there's too much of it because it's not being reabsorbed into the bloodstream quickly enough. If you put a needle into the lower back and drain some of that fluid, sometimes patients will improve and improve quickly. Their balance improves, their bladder control improves, their cognition improves. So if that happens, if patients improve with the lumbar puncture and drainage of that fluid, that's a pretty good indication that a more permanent drainage of that fluid might be beneficial. Again, let me explain that: the lumbar puncture is really a diagnostic test. It is not a permanent solution, but it does two things at the same time. Sort of makes the diagnosis or confirms the diagnosis of normal pressure hydrocephalus, and the patients often get better, but only for a short time. So if that does work, patient does get better, it's an indication that a more permanent procedure could be of benefit. Patty, I hope that gives you a clearer picture. Best wishes to your mom. Kyra, what's our last question?
Kyra Dahring
00:06:13
All right, last up, we actually have another question about a mom, and it's coming from Laura in Georgia, who wants to know, what are the chances that my mother can get some or all of her mobility back with the brain shunt procedure?
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:06:25
'Okay, so this is perfect. This follows on what we were just talking about. Laura, if that spinal tap I was talking about works, that means a shunt can then be placed in the brain to drain the fluid off more permanently. Okay, so how does that work? It involves putting a catheter directly into one of those fluid-filled spaces in the brain. You do this through a small opening on the top of the brain, and then you connect that catheter to another catheter and a valve, which then drains the fluid typically into your abdominal cavity. So now you have this closed loop system where fluid is draining from that area on top of the brain, the ventricle, into the abdominal cavity, it takes some of that fluid away because the body is not absorbing it quickly enough. I hope that makes sense. How well does it work? Well, there's all sorts of studies here, but the good news is that it can be very effective. One study showed it could be up to 90% effective. A lot of studies have shown at least 60 to 70% effective, meaning patients improve in terms of their cognition, their balance, and their bladder control. So this is, again, one of those things that's not that common, but very treatable. And imagine going to the doctor thinking that you have dementia or thinking that you had Parkinson's and instead finding out that you've normal pressure hydrocephalus and you get a lumbar puncture, You get a shunt, as I just described. And you get better as a result. We certainly hope that's the case for your mom, Laura, and obviously for Billy Joel as well.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
00:08:07
'Thank you to everyone who sent in the questions. Again, I hope that I give you answers that are useful to you. If there's something health-related you've been curious about, don't be shy. Share it, record a voice memo, email it to asksanjay at cnn.com, or give us a call, 470-396-0832. And leave a message the old-fashioned way. Thanks for listening, and I'll be back next Tuesday. Chasing Life is a production of CNN Audio. Our podcast is produced by Eryn Mathewson, Jennifer Lai, Grace Walker, Lori Galaretta, Jesse Remedios, Sofía Sánchez, and Kyra Dahring. Andrea Kane is our medical writer, our senior producer is Dan Bloom, Amanda Sealy is our showrunner, Dan Dzula is our technical director and the executive producer of CNN Audio is Steve Lickteig. With support from Jamus Andrest, Jon Dianora, Haley Thomas, Alex Manasseri, Robert Mathers, Leni Steinhardt, Nichole Pesaru and Lisa Namerow. Special thanks to Ben Tinker and Nadia Kounang of CNN Health and Wendy Brundige.