Eighty years of peaceful world order are under unprecedented harm, thanks to the "wrecking-ball politics" led by US President Donald Trump. That's the assessment of European security experts who are getting set to host world leaders and diplomats at the pivotal Munich Security Conference starting tomorrow. Robert Kagan is a traditional conservative foreign policy scholar, he calls himself a "former Republican" and his latest piece for the Atlantic is about America and the world. He joins the show from Washington. 

Also on today's show: actor Delroy Lindo; author Chris Jennings