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Why Work Spouses Can Be a Secret Weapon | Engagement Party
The Assignment with Audie Cornish
Mar 5, 2026
Are work spouses actually a thing? And what turns a desk-mate into a ride-or-die?
In this special episode of The Assignment, Audie Cornish reunites with former work husband and longtime co-host of NPR’s All Things Considered, Ari Shapiro. They dive into the stories that defined their careers, the push and pull of competition in the newsroom, and the ways creative collaborators develop shared languages—from Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan to Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
Taped live at On Air Fest in Brooklyn, New York.
Episode Transcript
Ari Shapiro
00:00:00
Can I ask a provocative question?
Audie Cornish
00:00:01
No, please. How do you define work, wife, work, husband, work spouse? And he was like, Are you pregnant? Which my own husband hadn't figured out yet. Hey, everyone, it's Audie. And I've got another special episode of the assignment for you. I was at the podcast festival known as on air fest that was in Brooklyn just last week. And for this I knew I wanted to bring along a friend because we're going to talk about work spouses and mine for a very long time was Ari Shapiro of NPR. So we talk about our careers, media, of course, what makes for a good work spouse was a fun conversation. So stick with us.
Sam Sanders
00:00:39
Audie Cornish and Ari Shapiro.
Audie Cornish
00:00:41
Come on out. Come on up. Hey, so here's the deal. Back in January, I asked Ari to come on the assignment because honestly, January was a lot, y'all. And I needed somebody that I could have a conversation with about the stories I was missing, right? These like cultural stories that I wanted to talk about and we called it engagement party.
Ari Shapiro
00:01:07
And we had a reference point because for all the years that Audie and I were all things considered hosts together, you heard us on the radio being very serious and during the eight minute segment about Syria when our mics are off, we would cackle about the latest thing that we had found on Reddit or on Instagram or whatever was bubbling up in the culture and we never really got to laugh like that with each other and finish each other's sentences on the radios in quite that way. So that was kind of the goal of the engagement party.
Audie Cornish
00:01:37
Yeah, we're engaged, folks, finally. There's a lot of moms out there who are very excited for me. I have to tell them I don't think it's going to work out the way you like. So the reason why I wanted to talk to Ari here at On Air Fest is because, first of all, I've been here a couple times and I love you guys. It's a fantastic crowd. And second, I think that he's just exited from NPR just a few months ago. I did it. Like, yeah, three or four years ago, which as it turns out in cable news time, it's actually 25 years. It's been a lot of things. And so we wanted to talk about this kind of, what it means to pivot and what it mean to like collaborate.
Ari Shapiro
00:02:18
I think the moment we are in is so overwhelmingly defined by transformation and yet when I look back at our career in journalism, I think this era of journalism has been for a few decades. Oh wow, okay wait. That was us in 2018 at NPR and here's us just last month and I have to I think I'm looking a bit more Andersonian.
Audie Cornish
00:02:46
'Distinguish. The thing is when you were at a place like NPR, and this is related, there was a little bit of cosplaying as the previous generation of anchors, right? You couldn't- Trying to sound like Robert Siegel or Susan Stamberg. Trying to like Susan Stamburg. You were mentored by Nina Totenberg. I was mentored Robert Siegal against his will. And it really meant that you were constantly, instead of trying to be yourself, which that generation got to do when they started in the 70s, we were trying to them. Which is why we weren't cracking those jokes on air, right? Because they didn't do it and so we didn't it. And I'm wondering as you became, I left before you, but you were there long enough to become the distinguished host, right.
Ari Shapiro
00:03:37
Saw over the years that I was at NPR, both NPR and the media landscape more broadly transform into a place where first, there were fewer barriers to entry. And second, as a result, there were more voices in the mix. That's when you all entered the chat. Yeah, I remember the moment that Robert Krollwitz and Jad Abumrad created Radiolab. And it was like, oh, that's a different way to sound doing audio storytelling. And then... That was the different way to sound, until one day, a thousand different voices popped up, each one attracting different audiences, each one inventing different ways to sound. And as somebody who was in the kind of ivory tower of NPR, I feel like that gave me a little more freedom, and I wonder whether you felt this way too, to be myself and to sound less like what I thought an NPR host should sound like, and more just sound like Ari Shapiro, whatever that might mean.
Audie Cornish
00:04:32
I think I felt the opposite. I felt the restrictions of it more acutely, because I was looking around and being like, guys, there's like a tsunami out there of content and people and talent and they're doing things differently and we should be open to that. And it's interesting because now that I'm in television, I'm, in a way, watching the same thing happen, where, well, back during NPR days, people would be like, podcast? Who listens to that, you know? And it was like, that's not ever gonna be as big as what we do. And now with TV, it's the same thing. They're like, a tick and a tock? Like, what does that mean? Like, will the sets look like? What will the lighting look like, and then I go on and like, a 12 year old has a podcast, right? I'm like, I think you guys need to like, think about this a little differently. So in a way, I feel there's a little bit of a back to the future. Yeah.
Ari Shapiro
00:05:25
I started making journalism before social media existed. Yes. But I remember a moment when I was in coastal Turkey covering the Syrian refugee crisis. As one is wont to do. As one as want to do, at this point in my life I was a foreign correspondent. London was my home base, but I traveled the world. And I remember I posted on Instagram about Syrian refugees in Izmir waiting to go to Europe. And somebody in the comments said, why are they going to Europe? And in that moment I realized that Instagram was not a place that I channeled people to get the real news from the radio, that wherever I was reaching people was how they were getting the news. And so 10 years later, I did this project where I went from Senegal to Morocco to Spain, connecting the dots from climate change to global migration to political extremism. And as we designed the project, we made it a project that was on podcasts and on the radio and on socials and interactive on digital. And all of those places were the destination. They weren't drivers to the ultimate product.
Audie Cornish
00:06:28
And I think it's great because we were in the business long enough to think maybe we'd be the last people in the businesses, right? Like what young people were gonna do radio.
Ari Shapiro
00:06:36
Can I ask a provocative question?
Audie Cornish
00:06:38
No, please.
Ari Shapiro
00:06:41
How many pivots to video can you count in our career?
Audie Cornish
00:06:45
For the record, I was just in a PowerPoint yesterday about this. Because they were like, yep, exactly.
Ari Shapiro
00:06:51
There was Periscope, there was Facebook Live, there was, of course, TikTok.
Audie Cornish
00:06:56
I did a Facebook talk show.
Ari Shapiro
00:06:58
Oh, I completely forgot about that! Wow that's a throwback.
Audie Cornish
00:07:03
It is. It's in the archive somewhere.
Ari Shapiro
00:07:07
But this one feels different.
Audie Cornish
00:07:07
What feels different.
Ari Shapiro
00:07:08
This Pivot to Video.
Audie Cornish
00:07:10
It's not a pivot. I mean, we're seeing people like Derek Thompson, writer online, talking about everything is TV now, meaning everything is a scroll with entertainment and people who you don't know telling you things and performing for you, which was not the promise of social media.
Ari Shapiro
00:07:28
And you look at podcasts which are also now becoming television.
Audie Cornish
00:07:33
So I'm hoping that there's an addendum to that, which is that, yes, maybe social is turning into television, but guess what? Television is starting into radio. Because what is everybody doing but a video podcast?
Ari Shapiro
00:07:46
And television is also turning into radio because Netflix is designing shows for people to watch while they're doing the dishes and getting their kids ready for school and doing a million other things. They are making TV shows to be listened to even if the video is on in the background, just as now we are making podcasts that have video that can be on in background.
Audie Cornish
00:08:02
But are we do you really think so? I feel like when I'm making the show I still go by the old adage You know a producer who told us this a million years ago You want to make people stop and look at the radio. You're not making it for them to fold the laundry to
Ari Shapiro
00:08:16
Right, you want to create the driveway moment. You want to the moment that makes people say, oh, wait. And yet, I've never known of an audio clip to go viral.
Audie Cornish
00:08:25
I do think people listen to audio and watch video podcasts because they want to spend time with people.
Ari Shapiro
00:08:35
They want, to borrow a phrase, a good hang.
Audie Cornish
00:08:38
They want a good hang. When we did engagement party, it was supposed to be for fun. And then this guy had to write a substack about it.
Ari Shapiro
00:08:49
Everyone's on Substack. I'm no exception.
Audie Cornish
00:08:51
Except for me. And in that substack, that what was the title?
Ari Shapiro
00:08:56
Reunited with my work wife
Audie Cornish
00:08:59
I was really touched by this. I was telling him, usually people just say like that, say stuff about you like that like in your funeral. And so I felt like I was like here, you know what I mean? Someone identifying what makes your relationship work. How do you define work wife, work husband, work spouse?
Ari Shapiro
00:09:19
I can walk into your office, could back when we had offices next to each other, close the door and sigh or roll my eyes. And you can transcribe that sigh or eye roll into a five paragraph essay without my having to say a word. How do you define workspouse?
Audie Cornish
00:09:41
I actually went to look it up. Some of it came into the lexicon, as all good things do, through an Atlantic essay. And just the idea, it sort of has its roots in when women entered the workplace. And it started out with the sort of like, the secretary was your work spouse. But the idea was it was rooted in those kind of gender politics. Now it's much more neutral, but every once in a while, like when I was prepping for this. I went on to Reddit and TikTok. And there were all these TikToks with people who were like, I met the work wife. He didn't tell me she was hot. You know, and I'm like.
Ari Shapiro
00:10:15
That's terrible!
Audie Cornish
00:10:17
That's not how it went for me, but...
Ari Shapiro
00:10:19
I, can I tell you a specific memory of our work marriage?
Audie Cornish
00:10:22
Okay.
Ari Shapiro
00:10:23
Early in the time that we spent hosting All Things Considered together, we both went through a phase where we showed up to work with mason jar salads for lunch.
Audie Cornish
00:10:33
I remember our mason jar salad.
Ari Shapiro
00:10:34
'And we would compare our mason jar. Oh, yours has walnuts and cheddar and apples. Mine has feta and tomato and cucumbers. And then I think we might've even posted on Twitter whose mason-jar salad was better.
Audie Cornish
00:10:49
It was the most NPR thing you could do. The comments were like, y'all, this is not it. I will tell you the thing for me. This is more personal. Ari, one day, when we were in the studio, and I walked through the control room, and I came back to sit down. And the control can't always hear you. Sometimes it would cover the mic.
Ari Shapiro
00:11:09
Push the cough button.
Audie Cornish
00:11:10
And he was like. Are you pregnant?
Audie Cornish
00:11:13
Do you remember that?
Ari Shapiro
00:11:14
No.
Audie Cornish
00:11:14
Which my own husband hadn't figured out yet. And then, yes, and you, yes. And you were like, I don't think you can wear those dresses if that's the situation.
Ari Shapiro
00:11:24
Did I really say that? I'm embarrassed at myself. That is, do not say that in the workplace to anyone. Work spouse or not.
Audie Cornish
00:11:32
No, but you could tell, like you could figure it out. I was not showing. I'm not showing.
Ari Shapiro
00:11:37
I knew that it had been a process, that you were working towards, yeah. And now you have two beautiful children, two lovely boys. Do you have a favorite work husband, work wife example in the real world, in public, of like larger than life figures?
Audie Cornish
00:11:51
I know, you know, it's in a way I always start out thinking about work spouses and in popular culture it's a little bit Jim and Pam, you what I mean? Like they're supposed to be an undercurrent of sexual tension there, which I think is not the point. It is about creative collaboration, 100%. It's about the fact that they don't have to see you brushing your teeth and like doing all the things you do at home with your spouse. And so I end up looking to like... Creative partnerships of which my current favorite are probably Ryan Coogler and Michael Bay Jordan. Incredible. Yeah, who I just think like everything they do you can tell they have a shared language.
Ari Shapiro
00:12:33
I was thinking about the two of them. I was also thinking about Emma Stone and Yorgos Latimos. Yes. You often see this kind of star and director workspouse partnership. But I wonder if that falls under the artist and muse category. Because there's inevitably a power hierarchy, right, where the director is telling the star what to do, and the star is.
Audie Cornish
00:12:54
No, I don't think so because that's what makes the partnership when it supersedes that like it doesn't work without Emma Stone
Ari Shapiro
00:13:01
Oh, totally. You know what I mean? Like, so it... I don't know. But also Emma Stone is sort of like the inspiration for Yorgoslavimos. I mean...
Audie Cornish
00:13:11
Are you saying that just like as a gender thing though? You know what I mean?
Ari Shapiro
00:13:14
No, no, I would say the same thing about Ryan Coogler and Michael B Jordan. This is a man who is embodying the vision of the director who has the overarching view of what these films are going to be. Okay, let's take an example that has no hierarchy.
Audie Cornish
00:13:30
Okay.
Ari Shapiro
00:13:31
Amy Poehler and Tina Fey.
Audie Cornish
00:13:32
Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
Ari Shapiro
00:13:34
There was a clip of them on Seth Meyers where they said to Seth, and I was like, yes, this is what a workspouse is. We could talk about you in front of your face and you would not know that we were talking about you. I was, like, yes. That's what that is. 100%.
Amy Poehler
00:13:49
We can talk about people in front of them, and they don't really understand. Gotcha. Like... Do you know what I mean? You know what Fred's doing? Hey, Fred.
Audie Cornish
00:14:01
Well, the flip side is that we went through a phase, it was prior to the awakening, I feel it was like 2017, 2018, but we reached a point where I was like, I feel like when I talk to the staff, they don't, there's something about the way I deliver things that they receive.
Ari Shapiro
00:14:19
Oh, this was really interesting.
Audie Cornish
00:14:20
In a way that was like sort of overly sensitive. And at the time, there were some things in the news where people were talking about black women and how they were perceived in the workplace. And I was acutely aware that there were very few hosts of color. The people who had the job next to me and around me were people like Robert Siegel. And so I was not perceived as a person who needed to be listened to. It was a little bit like, okay, yeah, we're the same age, so it doesn't matter. And so we started doing a thing. Do you want to explain?
Ari Shapiro
00:14:55
You would say something in a meeting, and I would later say the same thing in the meeting. Is this what you're talking about? And we would pay attention to how people responded differently to you saying it or me saying it. This was a really educational experience for me.
Audie Cornish
00:15:08
There were some things that I just had you say, like we would talk about it in the studio and then I'd be like, this thing's going on, we need to fix it, can you say it? And for some reason they were very like, Ari.
Ari Shapiro
00:15:19
For some reason, yeah, what could that reason possibly be?
Audie Cornish
00:15:24
But did you feel the difference? Like, did you actually?
Ari Shapiro
00:15:27
I felt like you opened my eyes to something that the country had its eyes opened to a few years later. And the fact that we could have not only silly conversations about our mason jar salad, but also about trying to get pregnant or about the way black women and white gay men are treated differently in the same workplace was really important to me. And it's great to have a friend, but it's also great to have somebody who can say. Hey, you might not be noticing this, so let me point it out to you, and I can hear it without defensiveness or feeling like I have to immediately fix it and just truly hear it from a friend in the workplace.
Audie Cornish
00:16:12
Which I'm not the kind of person who uses a term like ally, you know, that became more popular after, but to his point, there were people that I had moments with where I said, hey, I don't think you understand how X is coming off or you may not realize what this means when I do it. And they really were defensive, upset, telling me it was in my head. And you never did that. You never, you just literally received it and then we played it out and then cackled about it.
Ari Shapiro
00:16:40
I mean, I don't know if I ever said this explicitly, but let me say it now in front of all of these people. Having been friends with you for so many years before I became a host, coming into All Things Considered with you there, with you, to use a cliche phrase, holding space for me, with you saying, here, let me show you how it's done, not in an older generation mentorship way, but in a, this is a place where I will make sure you feel welcome, was huge. Was so meaningful, was so moving, it defined my 10 years on All Things Considered and set me on a path that, you know, determined the kind of host I wound up being.
Audie Cornish
00:17:21
Because I just want to be clear there have been whole decades where I've been jealous of Ari like I don't know that yes you did everyone knows this like there no let's think of you all have done it okay you looked at someone else's podcast and you were like why do they have so many downloads like you just feel sometimes like I'm behind I'm I'm not good at this thing I don't know how to make ideas that people care about who am I to even do something you like. Have all of these doubts and you were always super fast.
Ari Shapiro
00:17:52
I'm going to quote the person I quote more than anyone else in the world, the performer Taylor Mack, who once said, comparison is violence. Um, having discussed work spouses, shall we go on to an actual spouse?
Audie Cornish
00:18:10
Let's go to an actual. Okay.
Ari Shapiro
00:18:12
'For as long as I've been a journalist, my beloved husband, actually tomorrow's our anniversary. We got married in February, 2004. My beloved husband has always tried to pitch stories that I will- He ignores. I ignore. Completely. I tell him all the reasons that like that's old or it's not relevant or anyway, when he heard Audie and I were doing this in a kind of Lucille Ball trying to get into Desi Arnaz's show, he was like, I have a story to pitch. I don't know what the pitch is.
Audie Cornish
00:18:41
Yeah, but Mike and I are.
Ari Shapiro
00:18:43
You're very similar.
Audie Cornish
00:18:44
We're very
Ari Shapiro
00:18:45
You're kind of soul.
Audie Cornish
00:18:46
Yeah, we both put up with Ari.
Ari Shapiro
00:18:49
You both put up with me. So he has sent in a video of a story pitch. And shall we just see what it is? The pressure is on. I mean, it's not my husband. Go Mike Gottlieb. Let's see what you got.
Mike Gottlieb
00:19:02
Hey, Audie, have I got a story for you. It's me! Everyone's talking about AI, and one application that's getting a lot of attention is the AI boyfriend or girlfriend. The last surgeon general found that half of all Americans are lonely, and apparently millions of people are creating AI partners. Not necessarily as a replacement for a human partner, they may have or still want a real relationship, but the AI partner is just convenient. It's always available and attentive. And it lets people explore their emotional and romantic interests or fears or kinks in a safe space. And it can be totally platonic. Remember that Harvard study that told us that happiness is based on your social interactions and whom you can text to say good morning to each day? This may give people another tool to fight occasional loneliness. It may be the new imaginary friend for kids, the training boyfriend or girlfriend for teens, or the private journal for adult married folks like us. Okay, I gotta go pitch some stories to my new AI companion. He always gives great advice.
Audie Cornish
00:20:05
Wow. Happy Anniversary, Mike. Happy Anniversary.
Ari Shapiro
00:20:08
He always saves the good pitches for you.
Audie Cornish
00:20:11
Those are good pitches. I mean, he's more than thought. I'm surprised he didn't have a pitch deck. That was like really. So here's what I'll say. We actually did an episode of The Assignment about this where we talked to a woman who had an AI companion from the organization Replica, I think. And this was a little earlier before all the stories started coming out about it and more people started using it. And I have to say, one of the things that struck me about the interview is her real live boyfriend was like sleeping in the next room. And she was telling me about this very rich relationship she was having with this artificial intelligence partner.
Ari Shapiro
00:20:49
'The question I have about this, and I do think that AI partners can be helpful as therapists, as sounding boards, et cetera. The question that I have is does- I disagree. You disagree? Yeah, 100%. Okay, let's get into it. But I think the question I had is, does the AI boyfriend ever say, I think you're wrong about that and here's why.
Audie Cornish
00:21:08
That's the thing. You can do some prompt engineering and ask it to do that thing. Don't tell me that I'm right all the time, blah, blah blah. But immediately, what are we seeing with these lawsuits from parents, from kids who have had mental health issues with AI, is that it has affirmed their worst instincts and let it spin out, spin out spin out. And so while there are some people who for sure are like, maybe it's helpful in some context. I think for other people, you know, look at a movie like Megan, and they're like, yeah, it's probably what it would be, you don't want it to raise your kid. That's not a great idea. And I do think it has real limitations as an actual companion, but it's exploding. He is right.
Ari Shapiro
00:21:51
'What if we take it out of the romance boyfriend-girlfriend context and look at this in an elderly folks who lack companionship context? And there are some... Is there...
Audie Cornish
00:22:03
And there are some experiments in that. Yeah, I feel.
Ari Shapiro
00:22:05
Yeah, I feel like there is good here there is also risk and danger here and the key is calibrating it. The key is not throwing it out and condemning it
Audie Cornish
00:22:14
I think I just feel like we're abdicating, instead of figuring out those problems. Yes, but we have abdicated already. I know, but instead of making sure that the elderly are not alone or all that stuff, we're just kind of like, well, this robot will do it. And it just feels like, what is that solving? Because then I have to go on TV and report a bunch of stories about loneliness studies.
Ari Shapiro
00:22:37
It's like Bowling Alone was written how many decades ago and these trends, as he said, have only gotten worse since then.
Audie Cornish
00:22:42
I know, though the irony in that book, they thought the social media and digital would bring us together. Would fix the problem and it's actually made it worse. Yeah, that's not how it worked out. We are running out of time. Sometimes we do a segment called Touch Grass, because you can see I feel really strongly about it.
Ari Shapiro
00:22:55
Should we explain what touch grass is? Like, get off our screens?
Audie Cornish
00:22:58
This is Brooklyn, they know what touch grass is.
Ari Shapiro
00:22:59
Okay, so here's my touch grass. I think there is a time and a place for dinner parties and I've decided that for me in my life, 2026 is not it. What I'm doing instead, I choose a date on the calendar.
Audie Cornish
00:23:15
Okay.
Ari Shapiro
00:23:15
I text 30, 40 people and I say, potluck, Thursday the 4th, 7 p.m., bring anything. I don't know how many people are coming. I don't know what they're bringing. Type A people text me and say, okay, but really, do you want a salad or dessert? So let's take a look.
Audie Cornish
00:23:31
So it's like an open house situation.
Ari Shapiro
00:23:34
'And it's especially because I've been traveling a lot lately. There are lots of people who I want to see and catch up with. I don't have time to make one-on-one dates with all of them. And the stress of throwing a dinner party is something I don't want to deal with right now. So instead, I build a fire in the fireplace. I make one dish. I don't know whatever I feel like doing that day. I don's stress out about it.
Audie Cornish
00:23:52
I feel like a fancy pants cook, so I feel like you felt that pressure to like perform.
Ari Shapiro
00:23:56
But also people show up with Doritos and Velveeta and it's fine and everyone has a great time and maybe there are 10 desserts and maybe they're zero desserts and it is okay. And what's important is creating a space to convene and come together and build community and reducing the barriers to entry. That's my touch.
Audie Cornish
00:24:14
I love it. Thank you for not calling it a salon. I find that...
Ari Shapiro
00:24:17
Oh, no, no. Nobody's reading poetry. Nobody's singing their original composition.
Audie Cornish
00:24:22
All right, my touch grass thing, I had to take a note to make sure I had the right name. So J. Cole has a new album called The Fall Off. And you know, I'm a J.Cole fan and some people aren't, but whatever, it's a great hip hop album. And he is doing this thing where he is selling CD versions of the album out of his trunk.
Ari Shapiro
00:24:41
Like just on a city street somewhere?
Audie Cornish
00:24:43
Yes, the way it used to be and like I've been chasing him around the country. J Cole if you see this
Ari Shapiro
00:24:49
Is he doing this like with a documentary film crew? Is it a stunt?
Audie Cornish
00:24:52
No, he's like on social media being like, hey, y'all.
Ari Shapiro
00:24:55
I don't even have a CD player. Who has a CD Player?
Audie Cornish
00:24:59
'Slow your roll. I definitely have a CD player and I'm one of those people, or anybody here have like a bunch of CDs in their basement because you were like, I digitized my collection. Hands up, yeah, yeah. And you don't want to part ways with all of this wonderful music. And of course now all the youngs, all the Gen Zers are like buying vinyl and buying CDs and so I feel like we're back, baby. Do you think this is a trend or is this just- Get out your- This is a trend.
Ari Shapiro
00:25:23
Get out your polishing cloths. Is this gonna catch on or is J. Cole just doing the stunt?
Audie Cornish
00:25:28
I just like the idea, as I said, it feels like a touch grass thing, where basically, you can be Harry Styles and be like, I'm doing a residency in a monstrously large place with ticket prices that are a kabillion dollars each, or you can get out and meet people where they are. And maybe it feels a little, I don't know, silly or throwback, but I actually don't have a problem with that and I think hip hop needs that in this moment, just like connecting with the roots of it a little bit more. And I just I really appreciate that was my thing I'm gonna go check that out. I'm going to look yeah follow him online Okay, he comes to your town, and then you know go buy a CD out of someone's trunk the way the way we used to
Ari Shapiro
00:26:07
We have to wrap up, and Audie, I'm so happy to be reunited with you. I love doing this with you, thank you for inviting me. Thank you for inviting me.
Audie Cornish
00:26:13
Thank you. Thank you guys.
