The White House has fired the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Susan Monarez, after only one month in the position. This comes just days after she reportedly clashed with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. over his stance on vaccines. Several other top CDC officials announced they were quitting in her wake, leaving the health agency in turmoil. Doctor Fiona Havers is a former CDC official and infectious disease expert, who resigned from her post as a Senior Vaccine Adviser in June, citing concerns about changes to the agency's vaccine processes under Secretary Kennedy. She joins the show to discuss what this all means for public health in America, and for the next pandemic.  

Also on today's show: Narges Bajoghli, Associate Professor of Middle East Studies, Johns Hopkins University & Suzanne Maloney, VP/Director of Foreign Policy, The Brookings Institution; David Mora, Senior Analyst for Mexico, International Crisis Group